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Westminstenders: How many Dead Cats Do You Get In A Thunderstorm?

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2020 14:14

It never rains. It only pours.

What I wouldn't give for a bit of old fashioned drizzle right now.

4 years on and we are facing a torment of calamities. Brexit, serious political instability in the USA ahead of an election that Trump will refuse to lose even if he does, trade deals with the rest of the world put on 6 week deadlines, anger within the commonwealth, a sick weak dependent PM on the back foot and ill briefed, rampant growing corruption in the Tory party, woke nut jobs out of touch with reality, councils on the brink of bankruptcy and the whole covid-19 crisis.

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RedToothBrush · 01/07/2020 16:25

The Cynic in me wonders whether letting the Pillar 2 story hit the press just before Lockdown is meant to ease

How does that even work?

You just had to have Leicester re locking down, without the government looking incompetent / covering up.

Forecast is rain here.

Why on earth they decided to reopen on a Saturday is beyond me. A & E will be horrific.

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ListeningQuietly · 01/07/2020 16:29

RTB
Because Leicester is nowhere near here
and there are no Asian clothing factories near here
so the folks who went to Bournemouth beach would have stayed complacent
but the fact that there are millions of incompletely reported tests is scaring the wits out of people
and making them be careful

its also DEEPLY pissing off several of my pro Boris pro Brexit Tory friends
as they are realising he does not give a shit about them
must not snigger

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 16:30

DGR you can't see them flocking to the USA - but I imagine that quite a lot will find Canada and other English speaking countries quite attractive.

How many Hong Kong Chinese will actually want to come? Still I will enjoy seeing the Brexiters frothing at all these immigrants.

For all Johnson's froth and blather - how many will actually be entitled to come?

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 16:32

How many Hong Kong Chinese will actually want to come? Still I will enjoy seeing the Brexiters frothing at all these immigrants.

Personally I feel double sorry for the Windrush victims. Can't be a nice feeling to have had to fight so hard just to get what you were promised (with some people being cheated unto death) whilst 3m people just get waved in.

Also why weren't the British Rhodesians worth saving ?

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 16:38

its also DEEPLY pissing off several of my pro Boris pro Brexit Tory friends as they are realising he does not give a shit about them

Then they can carry on being deeply pissed off then! Anyone with half a brain could have seen that a man sacked twice for lying, who doesn't acknowledge or doesn't know how many children he has, had conspired to have a journalist beaten up, made racist comments (but has to be excused because that was twenty years ago!), is not a man of principle and integrity. We could have told them that he didn't give a shit about anyone but himself.

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 16:39

theguardian.com
'Office for talent' to be set up for scientists who want to work in UK
Peter Walker
5-6 minutes

Downing Street is to set up a cross-departmental unit called the “office for talent” as a way to help leading scientists, researchers and others live and work in the UK in the post-Brexit immigration system.

The plan, which the Liberal Democrats said was simply trying to make up the damage caused by Brexit, is intended to “ensure excellent customer service across the immigration system”, a government announcement said.

The news came as part of a wider package of measures to encourage research and development, unveiled by the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy (BEIS), itself an element of Boris Johnson’s wider “new deal” for post-coronavirus economic recovery.

The office for talent will be based inside No 10. Dominic Cummings, Johnson’s chief adviser, has in recent months sought to centralise more elements of ministerial work around No 10.

Officials say the office for talent will involve the Home Office, BEIS and other departments, with Downing Street coordinating its function.

In connection with a £300m commitments to improve science labs across the country, the office for talent is billed as making it “easier for leading global scientists, researchers and innovators to come to the UK”.

Intended to assist students and those at the start of their careers, as well as established experts, the office will start work immediately to make sure the immigration system for such people is “simple, easy, and quick”, and also sell the UK as a place to live, the announcement said.

International students who complete a PhD in the UK from next year – when the new immigration system will be in place – will be allowed to stay in the UK for three more years. Under existing plans, undergraduate and master’s students can remain for two years.

Other changes to help bring in students and researchers will include making the visa application time period longer and allowing people to switch the type of their visa while staying in the UK.

Under the post-Brexit immigration system, students and staff from EU countries who are not already in the UK will need to seek entry under the same points-based rules as nationals from other countries.

A series of groups representing scientists have warned that leaving the EU, particularly with no formal deal, would gravely harm science and research in the UK.

Layla Moran, the Lib Dems’ education spokeswoman, said Johnson’s idea of an office for talent was “nothing but compensating for the fact we will lose our valuable friends and neighbours help in the science community, especially if he pursues a no-deal Brexit”.

She said: “Placing the office in No 10 is just another pandering play to puppet master Dominic Cummings. If Johnson is serious about the science he’d make sure we work with talent across the world not just in his new office.”
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Peregrina · 01/07/2020 16:42

Can't be a nice feeling to have had to fight so hard just to get what you were promised (with some people being cheated unto death) whilst 3m people just get waved in.

There is a pecking order of how desirable non white people are perceived to be Asians of Indian or Japanese origin, or possibly Malaysian - top of the pile, other vaguely Asian next, black skinned people at the bottom. Think of how South Africa under white rule treated the Japanese.

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 16:43

“It means that you need to get ready for 1 January 2021! We now know that the transition period will not be extended. The EU was open to an extension. But the UK refused. It is the UK’s choice. So, 1 January 2021 will bring big changes. UK firms will lose the benefit of the financial services passports. This should not come as a surprise to you. We have been warning about this for the past three years."

Cue a Brexiter whine about nasty EU bullying us.

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 16:52

There is a pecking order of how desirable non white people are perceived to be Asians of Indian or Japanese origin, or possibly Malaysian - top of the pile, other vaguely Asian next, black skinned people at the bottom. Think of how South Africa under white rule treated the Japanese

All I can think of is the horror of being physically removed from a country you were told to call your own; alone, terrified, confused. Ill and old. To arrive in a country that you never knew and that doesn't know you. Torn from everything that goes between a person and a community to make us human in our tribe. And in some cases being left to die a miserable lonely death which was probably a merciful relief from the anguish of having to ask yourself every waking minute: what, what did I do to deserve this ?. That's all I can think of at the moment.

God gave me few gifts and took more in return. But if one of them is to stir souls and consciences with words and thoughts then it would be a sin not to do so.

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 16:53

Cue a Brexiter whine about nasty EU bullying us.

Westminstenders: How many Dead Cats Do You Get In A Thunderstorm?
lljkk · 01/07/2020 17:05

"'Office for talent' to be set up for scientists who want to work in UK"

because we can't be bothered to properly fund training and education for our own native-born people

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 17:10

"'Office for talent' to be set up for scientists who want to work in UK"

Presumably in a phone box somewhere ? Or they could double up with the LibDems offices ?

borntobequiet · 01/07/2020 17:11

Even the weird nomenclature “Pillar1” and “Pillar 2” seems to be designed to confuse and misdirect. Why not just “hospital tests” and “community tests” (or similar) so that at least people in general understand?
When you have to explain the terminology before explaining the thing itself, you add an extra layer of potential confusion.

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 17:17

"'Office for talent' to be set up for scientists who want to work in UK"

Well if Trump gets in again, it could attract some refugees from the USA. I can't see the average EU scientist wanting to jump through the new hoops being presented to them. Shock horror: I can see Indians and sub Saharan Africans wanting to. Now this doesn't personally bother me, but I am pretty sure that it isn't what a sizeable number of the Brexiters thought they were voting for.

JeSuisPoulet · 01/07/2020 17:53

Ambulance levels increasing here too - could be due to more people out in cars I suppose.

I remember the issue of community testing not being shared with GP's was raised several months ago. I think most people assumed this was dealt with and moved on, which is clearly error #1 with this govt. So many things have gone wrong and happened that the details get lost and "new news" takes priority. We should be holding separate threads for all of these errors, which is why I was saying about body bags/PPE/storage for stockiling post Brexit and lack of preparations for that let alone a second wave yesterday.

Re science at #10, who on earth wants Cummings peering over their shoulder pretending he understands what you are doing? He's hardly got a reputation for being good to work with! Are they turning it into a working laboratory now then Confused It's all so hair-brained and poorly thought through it reads like a child's story.

I strongly suspect the Chinese, once here, will realise full well that this is not conservatism but populism. They would be well placed to spot a tyrant in the making...

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 17:56

Can I get this straight - when we were members of the Single Market, EU citizens could just come and work in science labs if they had the required qualifications? And people did just vote with their feet and come. It's true others had to jump through more hoops to get here. So now, instead of it all sorting itself out we have to open up a Downing Street Office to get people to come?

Johnson and Cummings will probably go and recruit the wrong kind of scientists i.e. they will recruit people with GCSE equivalent when they need Post Docs. Not being scientists, they won't know the difference.
No laughing at the back there!

JeSuisPoulet · 01/07/2020 17:57

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/06/we-have-had-zero-information-gps-in-the-dark-over-covid-19-tests this was in the Guardian last month re testing.

mrslaughan · 01/07/2020 18:01

The office for talent where Dominic Cummings has express input(from what I have read)....... it's just all about his agenda all over again, and you can guarantee that anyone who makes him look silly (because the are way brighter and knowledgeable than him) won't get a look in

Peregrina · 01/07/2020 18:19

China is breaking Hong Kong treaty with UK, says Boris Johnson

I am quite sure that this is so, but apart from perhaps offering a bolthole to some of their citizens, what can he do about it? He is going to find out that on its own without its once mighty Empire, the UK is a small place.

It's also a bit rich complaining about other countries ripping up treaties when that is exactly what they want to do with the Withdrawal Agreement, with the bits that they didn't bother to read, and now find they don't like.

DGRossetti · 01/07/2020 19:07

China is breaking Hong Kong treaty with UK, says Boris Johnson

It would be hilarious if China just turned around and said "But NI ..."

ListeningQuietly · 01/07/2020 19:36

I've just realised that this hiding of the 4.75million Pillar 2 test results has made me really really angry
how very dare they deliberately endanger the population like that Angry

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ListeningQuietly · 01/07/2020 19:54

I just checked in with a friend who is heavily involved with the "Pillar 2" lab processing
suffice to say they are unimpressed with how their work is being used
AND
being part of a rather large Science organisation
have little positive to say about the latest Cumming / Johnson ideas to bring scientists into the UK
after having treated they and their spouses and families like dirt for the last four years

HesterThrale · 01/07/2020 20:21

I think I heard that the Hong Kong people eligible to come here must have been born before 1997. So that will divide and separate families...

BackInTime · 01/07/2020 20:23

@ListeningQuietly I agree. I think the talk of further possible lockdowns along with Leicester and Pillar 1/2 fiasco is a deliberate attempt to put the frighteners on people. They have realised that perhaps opening pubs on a Saturday is a spectacularly dangerous, idiotic idea.

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