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Westminstenders: How many Dead Cats Do You Get In A Thunderstorm?

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2020 14:14

It never rains. It only pours.

What I wouldn't give for a bit of old fashioned drizzle right now.

4 years on and we are facing a torment of calamities. Brexit, serious political instability in the USA ahead of an election that Trump will refuse to lose even if he does, trade deals with the rest of the world put on 6 week deadlines, anger within the commonwealth, a sick weak dependent PM on the back foot and ill briefed, rampant growing corruption in the Tory party, woke nut jobs out of touch with reality, councils on the brink of bankruptcy and the whole covid-19 crisis.

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TheABC · 29/06/2020 13:38

In summary: it would be easier to arrange a helicopter crash at Chequers than to remove the PM by legal means.

Clavinova · 29/06/2020 13:42

Mistigri
Sure. Because a low earth satellite network is perfectly useful for some purposes - just not the one the U.K. needs it for.

Even the critical Guardian article states this;

“Let’s give the government the benefit of the doubt: if the output the government wants is a UK-branded positioning system, a projection of UK power around the world and supporting the UK satellite industry base, then it is probably quicker and cheaper to smash the square peg of OneWeb into the round hole of a Galileo replacement than it is to do it from scratch,”

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 13:54

Other potential bidders included;
"the Paris-based satellite operator Eutelsat, which apparently has the backing of the French government and several other European Union member states"

but they are not trying to replace Galileo satellites
which seems to have been at least the original intention of the UK govt

Clavinova · 29/06/2020 13:55

Peregrina
Are we now to believe that portable ventilators (a.k.a masks to supply oxygen to someone until they could get to intensive care?) had not ever been invented?

Like they did in Italy?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 13:55

Are the govt going to tow the UK out to sea into a better launch location ?

DGRossetti · 29/06/2020 13:59

@Peregrina

Or reinventing the wheel because it's for your Brexit chums.....
OK smartarse. What colour would you make it ?
Peregrina · 29/06/2020 14:00

Red, White and Blue, of course!

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 14:03

iirc the Dyson ventilators were rejected by doctors at the final approval stage,
because they would only have kept patients alive a few hours

There seems to have been a misunderstanding about ventilator medical requirements,
because that length of time would not be useful

Patients would have to be disconnected from these ventilators and then put onto new ones - which is added danger for v sick people.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/06/2020 14:06

Are the govt going to tow the UK out to sea into a better launch location ?

Easier to continue to use Kazakhstan I would think.

Clavinova · 29/06/2020 14:07

Just seen this (I can't access the whole article) - apparently Donald Trump might block the sale - it's an auction in any case;

www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2020/06/27/donald-trump-could-block-oneweb-sale-national-security-concerns/

JeSuisPoulet · 29/06/2020 14:07

BCF and that is exactly the point - experts know what they are doing. Dyson did not.

JeSuisPoulet · 29/06/2020 14:08

How friendly of him! That "special relationship" is all but over now we've given him the keys Hmm

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 29/06/2020 14:10

BCF: "There seems to have been a misunderstanding about ventilator medical requirements,"

And we have a government whose PM doesn't do detail.

Coincidence?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 14:10

“A National Scandal”: a timeline of the UK government’s response to the Coronavirus crisis

In enormous detail, listing every event:

medium.com/@ian_js/a-national-scandal-a-timeline-of-the-uk-governments-response-to-the-coronavirus-crisis-b608682cdbe

SabrinaThwaite · 29/06/2020 14:11

The US would certainly block any Chinese interests. FT was reporting a few days ago that the US might favour a UK led purchase, but the DT article suggests that it will depend on the other members of the consortium.

DGRossetti · 29/06/2020 14:13

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Westminstenders: How many Dead Cats Do You Get In A Thunderstorm?
Clavinova · 29/06/2020 14:16

Are the govt going to tow the UK out to sea into a better launch location ?

Small satellites? Launching here probably:

www.space.com/scotland-rocket-launch-spaceport-construction.html
spaceportcornwall.com/#:~:text=Welcome%20to%20Spaceport%20Cornwall,technology%20cluster%20of%20national%20importance.
www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8432867/UK-signs-space-launch-deal-American-rockets-launch-British-spaceports.html

TheElementsOfMedical · 29/06/2020 14:17

O ..... O

Wink
BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 14:17

BJ seems to be channelling MrsT, rather than Roosevelt,
e.g. exceeding her efforts in unemployment and in "cleansing" the civil service

This story was revealed in 2018 after govt papers were released - remember this ?

'Subversive' civil servants secretly blacklisted under Thatcher

Included Scottish & Welsh nationalist sympathisers
The current govt is much more likely to tolerate subversive fascists though, unlike MrsT

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/subversive-civil-servants-secretly-blacklisted-under-thatcher

Margaret Thatcher’s government drew up a secret blacklist of its own civil servants thought to be “subversives” in order to keep them under observation and block their promotion,
papers released at the National Archives disclose.

DGRossetti · 29/06/2020 14:20

Margaret Thatcher’s government drew up a secret blacklist of its own civil servants thought to be “subversives” in order to keep them under observation and block their promotion, papers released at the National Archives disclose.

Since it was discussed at the time (and rubbished) where are the fulsome apologies ?

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 14:22

"Small satellites ?"

For the system to replace Galileo ?
You know, the original purpose of this bid, before the govt was told in public it wouldn't be as simple as they had been conned led to believe

BigChocFrenzy · 29/06/2020 14:28

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/28/lockdown-or-not-a-second-wave-of-covid-19-will-badly-damage-the-uk-economy

When the two countries [Sweden & Denmark] went their separate ways at the start of the crisis,
the assumption was that Sweden would have more deaths but suffer less damage to its economy.

Not so, says Dhaval Joshi, of BCA research:
Sweden’s death rate is five times as high as Denmark’s
but when it comes to economic performance there’s not a lot in it.

The reason for that, he says, is that people change their behaviour whether there is a lockdown or not.
They avoid public transport, stay away from shops and refuse to send their children to school.
< enough people do this to cut business income sharply >

So does that mean the outcome is the same whether a lockdown is imposed or not?
No, because while the majority of people will act prudently without being forced to do so in order to avoid catching the virus
a minority will refuse to change their habits.

“In the pandemic, this is critical because less than 10% of infected people are responsible for creating 90% of all coronavirus infections...
“If this tiny minority of so-called ‘super-spreaders’ is left unchecked, then the pandemic will let rip.”

There is good news and bad news for the UK in all this.

The good news is that the Denmark-Sweden experience suggests there was no trade off between health and the economy, justifying the case for a lockdown.
< Listening Are you reading ? >

The experience of New York state suggests that a tough lockdown reduces the risk of a second wave and makes it easier for life to return to normal.

The bad news is that if the virus does flare up again as a result of raves or beach barbecues, there won’t need to be another lockdown for recovery to be aborted.

It will happen anyway.

Peregrina · 29/06/2020 14:28

My late DF who had been a Civil Servant always thought that he was on a blacklist after being a CO during the War. (He was a Quaker, hence his stance.)

Clavinova · 29/06/2020 14:37

BigChocFrenzy
"Small satellites?"

“Ownership of the OneWeb system (either as-designed or as-modified) could confer a significant economic, strategic, and geopolitical advantage to its owner/operator."

advanced-television.com/2020/05/19/oneweb-sale-a-real-life-game-of-thrones/

Peregrina · 29/06/2020 14:41

Ah yes, satellites - at first when we were members of the EU, the UK was the one which didn't want third country involvement. So we had to be excluded, and anyway, that is what the country wanted, supposedly.

Then wasn't there going to be a collaboration with New Zealand?

Then er um, we buy an off the shelf low orbit satellite and announce it as a great triumph.

Oh BTW I see that the EU talks are going on, but now Johnson wants them to be concluded by the Autumn. Now Autumn is a bit of a movable feast. In meteorological terms the beginning of September is decreed to be Autumn. Otherwise people think it's the equinox so the third week in September. Take your pick which one Johnson wants, because he hasn't said.