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Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2020 16:46

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.”

Not George Orwell but often attributed to him. But a powerful statement with resonance nonetheless

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ListeningQuietly · 29/05/2020 10:38

Nobody will challenge Johnson
(a) during COVID
(b) while Cummings has any sort of security pass / access
(c) this near to Brexit day

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 10:38

The problem with that idea JeSuis is that you need to get the "app". Which I'm not going to do as long as I draw breath.

Fortunately the predictable Keystone Cops display of competence from the smorgasboard of stakeholders has pretty much guaranteed it's a moot point. At this point of it's decline the UK has as much chance of getting a man on the moon as getting any "app" working well enough to punt to 65,000,000 mugs.

The EU settled status app was a clue. You'd have to be spectacularly thick to look at how that went and say to yourself You know what ? This has convinced me that the UK government is capable of taking on an IT project with a upscale of at least 20x to be rolled out in weeks.

No wonder Her Madge hasn't given up her spare rooms at Buck House. They're reserved for the Fuckup family. Of three generations.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/05/2020 11:17

Interesting articke on Track and Trace and GDPR - tldr; in the Government’s rush to distract from Cummings it’s been implemented before going through a mandatory data protection impact assessment in breach of GDPR.

www.politico.eu/article/uk-test-trace-privacy-data-impact-assessement/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 29/05/2020 11:21

If you have CNN then take a look now. Reporter arrested live on-air, by pure coincidence a large African-American whilst his white colleague across the way carries on reporting unchallenged.

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 11:27

Interesting articke on Track and Trace and GDPR - tldr; in the Government’s rush to distract from Cummings it’s been implemented before going through a mandatory data protection impact assessment in breach of GDPR.

I didn't need to read that to know (a) it will be shit and (b) if it complied with any of the UKs data protection regulations it would be by mistake.

Peregrina · 29/05/2020 11:29

Not compliant with GDPR? Do you think that will bother Johsnon, Cummings, Gove and all the others rushing to defend Cummings? It will just mean that they won't download it, but we plebs will, or they hope they will.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/05/2020 11:31

@Peregrina

Not compliant with GDPR? Do you think that will bother Johsnon, Cummings, Gove and all the others rushing to defend Cummings? It will just mean that they won't download it, but we plebs will, or they hope they will.
Not the app.

The whole scheme.

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 11:34

Not the app. [] The whole scheme.

I'd hazard a guess that if you were to dig through the byzantine procurement and money-banking operation (where most of the resources will have been deployed) you'd discover - to your amazement or not, depending how competent you thought HMG were to start with - that there isn't actually anyone tasked with ensuring compliance. Such is the arrogance of the state.

We don't need to follow the rules. We are the rules.

With an emasculated civil service that dare not speak it's shame.

Plonkysaurus · 29/05/2020 11:37

Brexiteer (Tory) response to my email about Cummings.

Thank you for contacting me regarding Dominic Cummings, and the events that have unfolded during the past few days. I apologise for any delay in this response; my office have received a large volume of correspondence on this issue over the bank holiday weekend. It is fair to say that a large majority of those emails express real anger at Mr Cummings’ reported actions, and I have fed that strength of feeling into the Government.

Can I firstly say that I absolutely understand why people across Amber Valley would be very angry at anyone that ignores or flouts the lockdown rules. These restrictions on normal life and especially on seeing loved ones, supporting ill relatives or attending funerals have been very difficult for everyone, and it remains necessary in tackling this virus for us all to maintain discipline.

I have watched Mr Cummings’ statement and listened closely to his explanation – the statement is here if you would like to watch it.

As I said on Radio Derby yesterday, and to the Derby Telegraph, my reading of the lockdown rules in force at the end of March would not stretch to include driving 250 miles as a precaution, or driving 30 miles to test one’s recovery or stamina.

That said, from his statement, it is clear to me that he did not just ignore the rules or decide he was above them but tried to find a solution, on a very urgent timescale, to the very concerning issue of providing care for his young child given that his wife had been too ill to provide care that day, and he feared – accurately as it turned out – given his exposure to the virus that he too may become seriously unwell. He seemed to have genuinely believed travelling to ensure his sister and nieces could provide that care while he and his wife could self-isolate was within the text of the rules allowing people to arrange for family to take on caring responsibilities, and would minimise risk to his child and to those who might have to provide the care. I also found his concerns for the safety of his family at home compelling.

His explanation of the need to travel to Barnard Castle was less compelling, and while limited travel for exercise was permitted at that time, and I could understand wanting to check the extent of his recovery before making the long drive back to work in London, I’m not sure there was a need to head to a beauty spot. I would have expected the local police to have, following the general approach, advised him to leave had they seen him there.

The issue therefore for me is whether somebody, in a very difficult and urgent situation, who believed his actions were within the rules, even if in retrospect they were not, should be sacked from their job. It is not the case, in my opinion, that he just ignored the rules or to dodge restrictions on seeing family, socialising etc that apply to everyone. It seems to be he tried to act reasonably even if he got it wrong and in that case, in these unique circumstances, I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

I would also much prefer the Prime Minister to stand by his team if he believes they have done nothing wrong and not dismiss them just to make his position easier.

I hope the above explains the position I have taken. I also hope that the Government can now focus on the difficult and pressing decisions needed to manage this crisis, deliver the next stage of the lockdown, support the economy recover from this terrible downturn and get Brexit done with key decisions needed next month.

RedToothBrush · 29/05/2020 11:38

I didn't need to read that to know (a) it will be shit and (b) if it complied with any of the UKs data protection regulations it would be by mistake.

Likewise.

Dh is currently laughing his head off.

He had recruiters trying to headhunt him for a government role again yesterday. He was very amused.

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DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 11:47

Time to move on, but nobody told the internet.

Westministenders: The Truth Isn't A Made Up Concept
Peregrina · 29/05/2020 11:47

Dear God, what a letter: Yes, he was wrong, but Yes, I am such a toady that I am not going to say that he should have apologised.

Quite honestly, I don't even believe the childcare story now - he just wanted to bunk off to Durham, and missed the boat before lockdown.

SabrinaThwaite · 29/05/2020 11:53

Like I said, it’s not the app, it’s the entire scheme.

Worth bearing in mind if you get a phone call from a track and trace call handler asking for your personal data.

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 11:54

Quite honestly, I don't even believe the childcare story now - he just wanted to bunk off to Durham, and missed the boat before lockdown.

The fact GSK have facilities near Barnard Castle seems a little too much of a coincidence. "The universe is rarely so lazy" , to coin a quote.

The only way to ensure a secret conversation is - and has always been - face to face.

So the tinfoil hat path leads down a road asking what conversation could be so sensitive it could not be entrusted to what are supposed to be 100% secure messaging apps of Whatsapp or Signal ?

Also, could this be a rerun of the Sacoolas switcheroo, where it seems she was the real agent, not her husband ?

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 11:55

Worth bearing in mind if you get a phone call from a track and trace call handler asking for your personal data.

I have a standard procedure for such calls (not that I get any anymore).

It goes: Fuck. Off.

Next !

SabrinaThwaite · 29/05/2020 12:12

Track and trace currently has guidance status only.

I can see the Cummings defence becoming the standard response.

spottedelk · 29/05/2020 12:15

Him visiting GSK at Barnard Castle would certainly explain his not being dismissed from his job, if further explanation is needed. He was just doing what he was told to do?

DGRossetti · 29/05/2020 12:18

Him visiting GSK at Barnard Castle would certainly explain his not being dismissed from his job, if further explanation is needed. He was just doing what he was told to do?

Or his wife.

squid4 · 29/05/2020 12:22

Changing the subject, and sorry I haven't caught up yet...

This weather can't be normal can it.

squid4 · 29/05/2020 12:27

I haven't read the details on the track and trace scheme yet (are there details...?!)

Are health care workers exempt?

Aroudn 50 of us in my department alone share a staffroom / changing rooms every day (this is in an area where we do not use PPE)

We can't all self isolate for 14 days!

squid4 · 29/05/2020 12:30

Sorry that's very lazy I should just go read up on it all

I'm assuming it will be unworkable and feeling depressed already... maybe that's an unfair assumption but given the shitshow so far this year...

borntobequiet · 29/05/2020 12:35

I heard on the radio yesterday that this has been the sunniest and driest May since whenever.
A couple of weeks ago I mentioned to DD that what was really needed after floods and a pandemic was a drought. (In prolonged periods of no rain, my water supply can’t be guaranteed...I hope sufficient rain soaked in over the winter. Though most of it seemed to run down the hill to make the roads impassable.)

ListeningQuietly · 29/05/2020 12:40

Plonky
That is the standard Tory HQ letter
send him back a D- for effort and ask him to answer YOUR letter with his own words
they work for us

Squid4
May is often dry, it regularly rains in June
( my veg garden means I'm much more aware of rainfall patterns than many )

MockersxxxxxxxSocialDistancing · 29/05/2020 12:42

No, I don't think they'll have a leadership election before Jan 31, but the 22 may like to remind BJ that they expect some leadership over the coming year, implication, '...or else.'

Peregrina · 29/05/2020 12:44

That is the standard Tory HQ letter send him back a D- for effort and ask him to answer YOUR letter with his own words

And if you get a reply, it will be another lifting chunks from the hymn sheet. I had that sort of nonsense from my then MP back in 2016-17, which made me so angry that I got involved in politics to do my best to vote her out.