Westminstenders: A test of logistic planning

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We are witnessing a demonstration in Government crisis management.

For the past week journalists have asked the same questions and politicians have said they've already done it / are doing it in the near future. But as time wears on, the inability to produce the answers or demonstrate results is proving illusive.

This will have consequences.

It is a demonstration in how planning has proved to be lacking in certain areas.

With Brexit in mind, the lack of vision, coordination with business and wider capability and capacity this does not bode well.

They do believe in survival of the fittest, which happens to be them.

Well, they thought it was them. Dominic Cummings didn't seem to have any problem with letting the virus run through the community as long as only the old and sick suffered. I don't know whether they expected their money to insulate them. It's a bit different now - they have found that they are not immune and private medicine can't offer intensive care.

Yes I hope that Cummings and Johnson and all the others make a full recovery. When they do I hope there is a reckoning as to why the crisis was managed the way it was, and why the NHS was run down as much as it was.

BCF
Trump's fans do not watch any news other than that which supports him.
they do not see any 'world affairs'
they barely see stuff from outside their own state.

2. Why is international travel still allowed in and out of the UK?

IMO international air travel should have been the first thing stopped as flying is the fastest way to get a virus to go global. But of course, big business trumps common sense.

I recently had to bring a tall colleague into my classroom for a live demo of what 2 m (approx) looks like.

The local supermarket has helpfully marked out 2m distances in its car park, and even labelled it, but even so, some people still don't seem to know what 2m looks like. It's about 2 arms length - that is what people need to remember.

A crisis that could demonstrate that “No Deal = No Fear” for us.
Another sterling example of universalising the personal... because no one is clearly suffering in the current crisis.

“ Btw why was Trump banging on about nursery rhymes "the cupboard was bear, did you hear about that one"? Bloody hell!”

There’s a passage towards the end of “Hannibal” by Thomas Harris where one of the characters has lost most of the frontal lobe of his brain and is reduced to singing daycare songs and inviting requests.

Chruchill nearly died in office in 1953. All hushed up at the time. Govt temporarily led by a bloke called Rab.

Why is international travel still allowed in and out of the UK?

A lot of this will still be people getting home.

Some of it will be for freight (and the people who accompany the freight - some goods need someone to install them).

In my industry, inability to get goods onto planes or into trucks is a massive problem. And these are critical materials or components.

My teacher friend tells me that schools have been told to stay open during these Easter holidays to provide childcare for key workers’ children. They have 6 children. Now, in a classroom with 6 children you could achieve 2 metre distancing, but with 30 - no chance!
And (with any number) in the playground at break time, it’d be sad and impossible.

After this is over, we’ll have to have a rethink about education. Schools are not childcare, and the same learning is not possible at home, online (despite many parents’ excellent efforts).
In my view.

Listeningquietly

That's what I thought about the 15% cap. The only way that I can figure it out that they don't have enough testing materials/equipment so claimed a cap. Or if they started testing and more than 15% had it then the NHS would have been screwed for workers. So, best not to know. But I wondered what others thought. Was I being too cynical?

Regarding the international flights - I am in australia and we reckon that is why our infection rate is much lower than other countries. There was a mostly successful ban on travellers from china initially, now broadened to all international non-resident travellers. And 14-day quarantine for new arrivals The new infections have gone hugely since that was introduced. In fact, I thought it such an obvious move to make that I was shocked when I realised that international unrestricted, other than the travellers need, travel was still happening.

A quick hunt on the internet and I found this list of countries. It appears the UK has only advised against non-essential international travel. Most other countries appear to have some form of official reduction, suspension or limitation of international travel in and out of countries.

www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-restrictions-border-shutdowns-country-200318091505922.html

Tanith yes! That was it. I had to turn it off at that point as I actually felt guilty watching him, like ogling a car crash.

So, if Sound of Tentacles Slapping gets them suckered on to the podium and runs for a No Deal Brexit, what happens with Ireland? This is really not what we as a country need to be thinking about at this point in time.

Sanofi also finances Raoult's institute...

Some of it will be for freight (and the people who accompany the freight - some goods need someone to install them).

In my industry, inability to get goods onto planes or into trucks is a massive problem. And these are critical materials or components.

I guess there is still a lot of freight travelling by air here in Australia. We live under the flight path and can personally vouch for the fact that air planes are clearly loudly still flying.

I live not far from Charles de Gaulle airport. There's 10% of the daily air traffic around here, if that.

And 14-day quarantine for new arrivals

Yes, a relative and his family have returned to Australia and quarantined in a Govt provided flat, with food provided.

We returned to the UK and not even a temperature check. Although, since we had been locked down where we were, we were unlikely to have been exposed to anything.

Actually thinking about it I have overstated the role that the travel "ban" has played considering we are in partial lockdown. But it does seem a strong way of stopping new sources of infection getting into a population.

It appears the UK has only advised against non-essential international travel.

As ever, you need to dig beneath the headlines. And that is probably the key legal fact that will allow a lot of insurers to dodge paying out.

Heads we win/tails you lose.

Again.

Louise "resilient than we have been allowed to give ourselves credit for being. A crisis that could demonstrate that “No Deal = No Fear” for us. That’s an alternative way to look at it, anyhow."

Really? You may be insulated from it, but the vast majority aren't. I know so many people in a precarious position I find it so so frightening. The glibness of your statement I find so so disturbing. A true brixiteer who doesn't give a flying fuck about the rest of society

Absolutely.

Meanwhile, yet another Doctor of BAME origin, dies. This time a heart surgeon in Wales.

I hope that when this is over one of the first things that is looked at is Priti Patel's ideas about immigration - and preferably she gets the boot from the job too.

A true brexiteer who doesn't give a flying fuck about the rest of society

You realise that's a tautology ?

Sanofi also finances Raoult's institute...

A degree of cynicism is merited BUT all big hospitals that participate in clinical trials get money from big pharma. The additional cost of conducting the trials (versus just treating the patient normally) is paid by the industrial sponsor of the trial.

I guess there is still a lot of freight travelling by air here in Australia. We live under the flight path and can personally vouch for the fact that air planes are clearly loudly still flying.

You can go on the flight radar app to see what they are, but in a large thinly populated country like Aus businesses would soon grind to a halt without air traffic.

Bits of my industry will grind to a massive halt in about six to eight weeks unless transport links start to improve.

The British government has sent a letter formally thanking Cuba, for taking in the passengers stuck on the Braemar cruise ship. They call it a 'great act of solidarity' from the Cuban government.

Unsurprisingly, UK media has ignored the story.

Just seen an Alitalia flight go overhead, bound from Rome to Heathrow.
I bet there will be no checking, no testing and no quarantine on arrival.
We are so absolutely negligent compared to other countries.