Brexit means covid 19 vaccine will be slower to reach the UK

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Brexit means coronavirus vaccine will be slower to reach the UK

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

I wonder it this is partly why they are talking about going down the herd immunity route. It will be interesting to see in their models when they are assuming the uk will have access to a vaccine.

If Patrick Valence is talking about getting 60% of the population infected but still lowering the peak for the nhs to semi cope I assume they are thinking a vaccine will be years away.

I STILL bet Leave voters wouldn't change a thing.

No I wouldn’t.

Look at this paragraph and tell me this isn’t Guardian politicising, and the EU still wanting to keep us within their thrall.

“They argue that the UK could still avoid the worst by agreeing to align fully with the EMA’s regulations from outside the EU. But they say Johnson has so far indicated that his team have no intention of doing so and do not want to operate as “rule takers”.”

That's rubbish - anyway, what if our scientists find the vaccine first!

What vaccine is this and who has invented it?
As far as I know Israel seem to be the front runners of developing a vaccine so don’t see any problems with us acquiring it.

No deal stockpiling means we are in a better position than other countries. Also we are working with Israel, Australia & the US to develop a vaccine so Brexit is irrelevant.

Unfortunately although the UK has the research capabilty it currently has zero capacity to manufacture vaccines. There is a manufacturing facility being built but it will not be ready until 2022.

www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/uk-vaccine-manufacturing/

This might be promising?

nltimes.nl/2020/03/14/dutch-researchers-first-find-covid-19-antibodies-report

There was a thread on this earlier, so to save time I've stolen my response from there:

I'm not much for speculation tbh, but if immunity is acquirable through vaccines it should also be acquirable through the means of contracting the illness. Given that the latter is currently the government plan, I daresay many of us will be immune to it anyway by the time the vaccine rolls around. And given the growing anti-vaccine sentiment in this country, with mistrust of the MMR that has decades of evidence to back its safety, I'm not certain that a speedily approved vaccine would have much uptake here anyway.

if immunity is acquirable through vaccines it should also be acquirable through the means of contracting the illness

And I could cure my blister by chopping my foot but it doesn't seem sensible.

Surely if the plan is that x percent of people (60%?) get the virus so the remaining % don't get the virus, then between 1 and 3 percent of the 60% cannon fodder will die? Is that Johnson's great plan?

And I could cure my blister by chopping my foot but it doesn't seem sensible.

Be that as it may, unless we manage to lockdown the population for the months it'll take to eradicate the virus (unlikely, given that eventually we'd have to open the borders to international travel again) we won't have much choice in the matter. Natural immunity will come before vaccine-acquired immunity.

Surely if the plan is that x percent of people (60%?) get the virus so the remaining % don't get the virus, then between 1 and 3 percent of the 60% cannon fodder will die? Is that Johnson's great plan?

Yeah, basically. But hopefully slow it down enough so that the ones who suffer badly have enough medical help to minimise deaths.

How is that even a plan though? That sounds like it's just what would happen naturally? So his plan is do nothing and let it run it's course, bury the dead and don't let this cost too much money?

So his plan is do nothing and let it run it's course, bury the dead and don't let this cost too much money?

TBF with the terrible state the UK is in, and what will happen to the NHS and the economy after Brexit, I think less older people and poorer people living is just fine for Boris. Less plebs to clog up the system.

How is that even a plan though? That sounds like it's just what would happen naturally?

No, the social distancing measures are aimed at slowing the spread so the NHS doesn't get too overwhelmed. 15%-20% of cases will need oxygen support in hospital- with that support, most will survive. Without it, your death rate will be much higher. Ergo, we need to slow the spread to stop the epidemic reaching its natural peak. The peak must be much lower and spread out over a longer period of time than is natural so that all of those who need the oxygen support can receive it and to minimise the death rate.

www.politico.eu/article/coronavirus-eu-limit-exports-medical-equipment/

Absolute crap and I’m embarrassed for you that you believe it.

Absolute crap and I’m embarrassed for you that you believe it.

Who is this directed at, dear? And where are the sources that refute whatever the person that you're aiming this at is saying?

And where are the sources that refute whatever the person that you're aiming this at is saying?

This should be the response to many things online.

Absolute crap and I’m embarrassed for you that you believe it.

Is that directed at the OP, Alwaysreadyforbed? If so, have a

I work within the pharma industry and it seems very plausible to me. The simplest, cheapest way to do it would be to align with the EMA (lots of countries already align with either the EMA or FDA - what is the fucking point in paying lots of money to replicate an approval process that has already been stringently carried out by a reputable body?), but no, we can’t do that because ‘sovereignty’

There are 2 assertions in this thread now (things move on apace).

1. That due to the UK no longer being in the EUs medicines licensing framework, any drugs will be delayed getting to the UK as manufacturers will need to wait for the appropriate OK from the UK (currently imaginary ?) regulator. Presumably that could simply be legislated to be a rubber stamp. But there would be a nightmare forward problem of liabilities should there be any issues with a vaccine (worth remembering the first H1N1 vaccine caused narcolepsy www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/history/narcolepsy-flu.html).

2. That as of today, the EU (of which the UK is not a member) has banned the export of medical equipment outside the EU27, in order to allow it to be shared among the EU27. This means that the UKs ventilator shortage can't be fixed by buying some from Germany.

Both assertions were backed with links.

No refutations have been.

So I think it's facts:2 bullshit:0

I wonder how much US ventilators cost ? Doesn't really matter - if that's all you can buy, the price is pretty academic.

One of the experts whose opinion the Guardian article is based on is a professor of European public health at the the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine and one is a professor at Amsterdam Law School.
You can see all the Brexiters on this thread who don't believe in listening to experts. It's how we ended up with Brexit. They think they know better than the experts you see.

It will affect other medicines in future too. Not just the vaccine.

One of the experts whose opinion the Guardian article is based on is a professor of European public health at the the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine

He was also the lead behind anti-Brexit campaign group NHS for a People's Vote www.nhsforpv.co.uk/core_team

His twitter account has the EU flag as a background.