Brexit means covid 19 vaccine will be slower to reach the UK

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Brexit means coronavirus vaccine will be slower to reach the UK

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/14/coronavirus-vaccine-delays-brexit-ema-expensive?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

I wonder it this is partly why they are talking about going down the herd immunity route. It will be interesting to see in their models when they are assuming the uk will have access to a vaccine.

If Patrick Valence is talking about getting 60% of the population infected but still lowering the peak for the nhs to semi cope I assume they are thinking a vaccine will be years away.

I wonder how much US ventilators cost?

The government have approached UK based manufacturers to make ventilators;

"Manufacturing firm, Unipart, confirmed that it was involved in the discussions and aero-engine maker Rolls-Royce said it was "keen to do whatever we can".

His twitter account has the EU flag as a background.

I love that you think this is a sign of bias. It's entirely possible that he's pro-EU because he's even more aware than the next man how important the EU is. Not that he'd lie to support it because why? He's pro-EU for some other nefarious reason.

Article about the ventilators here www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51914490

His twitter account has the EU flag as a background

Yes because he’s knowledgeable enough to know why being a member of the EU is important.

Funny that 🤷🏻‍♀️

His twitter account has the EU flag as a background

Is that your measure of a bad scientist then?

Yes we should only really be listening to professors with a twitter background of a Union Jack with Brexit means Brexit emblazoned on it. Perhaps a bulldog in the picture too.

We will probably find the vaccine first.
We have far fewer deaths than the EU countries.
I trust our govt. scientists and public health.
Brexit is still the best idea.
But you and the Guardian and Robert Peston probably blame the rain, or the sun or the potholes on Brexit.

We will probably find the vaccine first.

Why?

GSK have partnered with a Chinese company to develop the vaccine...

Here from GSK.com

admin-awsproduction.gsk.com/en-gb/media/press-releases/clover-and-gsk-announce-research-collaboration-to-evaluate-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-candidate-with-pandemic-adjuvant-system/

But vaccines do take a while to be manufactured, stock will need built up first because you don't just vaccinate a few at a time otherwise it's pointless.
I estimate a year at least before a vaccine is available.
Oh and to whoever said we don't make vaccines in the UK: the GSK montrose site does...

Yes we should only really be listening to professors with a twitter background of a Union Jack with Brexit means Brexit emblazoned on it. Perhaps a bulldog in the picture too.

I think you'd struggle to find any scientists that support Brexit.

Professor McKee has been described as an 'independent expert' but he was(is) the programme director for a grassroots (their words) anti-Brexit campaign;

"We want to spread the word about Brexit, and tell the Government that it's just not good enough."

The headline in the Guardian article is misleading;
"Brexit means coronavirus vaccine will be slower to reach the UK"

The article itself is littered with: "could", "may", "it's possible".

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I'm sure Prof McKee is an expert in his field (and passionate about the EU) but he is clearly not an 'independent' expert in the Brexit debate.

The UK's MHRA is not as ineffectual as the article implies;

"Feb 2020 The Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) has given a fast-track approval to a high dose flu vaccine, which is designed to be effective in over 65-age group."

"Dr Siu Ping Lam, MHRA’s Licensing Director, said:“This is further evidence of the MHRA’s ability to deliver in an agile and flexible way, and enhances our standing as a world-leading, innovative regulator, to enable time-critical preventative medicines to be available earlier and timely for the protection of our patients.”

"Hugo Fry, Sanofi UK Country Chair & General Manager of Sanofi Pasteur, said: “It’s exciting to see the MHRA increasingly thinking creatively on how to be a fast, balanced, light-touch yet scientifically robust regulator in order to create and capitalise on opportunities for faster product approvals."

“The accelerated approval of our TIV High Dose influenza vaccine is a great example of this and clearly demonstrates their agility, flexibility and willingness to collaborate with industry.”

www.pharmacy.biz/mhra-completes-high-dose-flu-vaccine-approval-process-in-just-seven-months/

I think you'd struggle to find any scientists that support Brexit
Indeed

I think you'd struggle to find any scientists that support Brexit

Just googled - tweet from a group called 'Scientists for Britain'‏ @ScienceBritain yesterday;

"They’ve clearly never dealt with the European Medicines Agency if they think it accelerates delivery of vaccines. Studies show it SLOWS new medicine approvals by 7 months compared to the US. An unnecessary layer of political bureaucracy."

I'm sure Prof McKee is an expert in his field (and passionate about the EU) but he is clearly not an 'independent' expert in the Brexit debate
Why should an expert not have an opinion about Brexit? It would be odd if he didn't.
Your posts on mumsnet have always given the impression that you are employed by the tories as part of their PR/propoganda machine so I'll listen to an expert in the field over you

Your posts on mumsnet are just cut and paste from other sources without any analysis .... (despite a name suggesting "new key" ... idly wonders if it's a subtle pun from a Newquay resident ....)

Why should an expert not have an opinion about Brexit?

Of course they can - but not every expert is the programme director of an anti-Brexit campaign.

Your posts on mumsnet have always given the impression that you are employed by the tories as part of their PR/propoganda machine

Makes a change from a Russian bot.

idly wonders if it's a subtle pun from a Newquay resident....)

Did you google?
Musical connection.

Could have a Russian connection - "ova"

I think it's pretty grim making a political point out of a national health crisis but surely this current situation is showing us what really matters: cooperation, peace, sharing scientific knowledge, expertise, and resources. Not closing yourself off with a "I'm alright attitude" and that applies if you are one house in a long street of houses, or one country among a union of twenty-seven.

I think it's pretty grim making a political point out of a national health crisis

but that is exactly what the government is doing. So it seems churlish not to respond ....

We are doing our bit;

"CEPI welcomes UK Government's funding and highlights need for $2 billion to develop a vaccine against COVID-19"

cepi.net/news_cepi/2-billion-required-to-develop-a-vaccine-against-the-covid-19-virus/

"Oxford Nanopore is working with public health laboratories around the world."

nanoporetech.com/about-us/news/novel-coronavirus-covid-19-information-and-updates