Westministenders: No Australia Don't Have A Deal

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Since Friday, far from letting things calm down, Johnson has doubled down stating that if we can't have a Canada Deal (which the EU says wouldn't be equal because we are much closer than Canada geographically) we will go for an Australia Deal.

This is the latest rehash of a managed no deal package up as something else which the EU have already repeatedly said no to.

So we are on track for no deal.

At the same time Johnson has got very excited about American food and how its great. Almost as if he wants no deal wit the EU to force a shitty bad deal with the us through.

Johnson and his chronies have also been trying to undermine journalistic transparency by blocking access to the lobby to some media outlets in a move that makes us look like a tinpot dictatorship. Fortunately there was a mass walk out of journalists but it remains to be seen how long that can be maintained.

Far from being a clean slate to move forward from its already proving that nothing has changed and old divisions are as deep as ever, if not worse...

Why should the Guardian not point out Suella Braverman's links?
I don't recall our Leaver friends crying foul when the right wing press does the same to any Labour, LibDem or SNP politician.

Not just the Catholic Church - sadly, all Churches need to look to their past behaviour when it comes to sexual scandals. What matters is how they tackle things now.

DGR I can see that in your personal experience there are many aspects of Buddhism that are, for want of a better word, “good”. As indeed there is “good” in all religions, in my brief post baby miracle flirt back with Christianity my Anglican vicar owned up to not believing in an afterlife and that heaven was more a concept to encourage the love of God’s Kingdom on earth. (Tell that to LBGTQ Christians).

However in some parts of Asia Buddhism has certainly not abandoned the sky blue fairies, in fact there are pantheons of Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, Immortals and all manner of celestial beings to help you to enlightenment and immortality, often with a striking resemblance to the sky blue fairies of Hinduism, Taoism, Jainism etc.

They also sadly have organisations like the Ma Ba Tha who actively promote violence against those who don’t believe in their particular brand of sky blue fairies. Of course what is really happening in Burma and India is nationalism parading under a religious umbrella but it is all the more effective and insidious for that.

Why are we surprised when Buddhists are violent? www.nytimes.com/2018/03/05/opinion/buddhists-violence-tolerance.html

So the Government has decided to destroy the BBC now? It's official?

Yup was always coming.

"One way to get around the problems of unplanned pregnancies creating a permanent underclass would be to legally enforce universal uptake of long-term contraception at the onset of puberty.”
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Does this No 10 adviser mean forced contraception from puberty for the upper class / rich as well, or just for the working class & underclass ? 🤔

At least he might unite all religions though .... against him !

Reminds me of Keith Joseph tbh.

Yep, preventing the poor / working class / immigrants having babies is a recurring theme in hard right conservatism

Partly because of eugenics and partly party political - they feel threatened by an increase in population that they fear will be Labour

Yep, preventing the poor / working class / immigrants having babies is a recurring theme in hard right conservatism [] Partly because of eugenics and partly party political - they feel threatened by an increase in population that they fear will be Labour

Which suggests that they know the promise of milk and honey for all is a crock from the off. After all, if it's gold shitting unicorns for all, what possible reason would the masses have for not voting conservative.

Anyone who's worried about the enforced mass sterilisation or contraception of the youth can relax easy. It will never happen. It's far easier, and less controversial to simply remove peoples ability to affect the ruling elite, and the effect is the same. And if you play it right, you'll get 80% of the masses actually helping you strip them of their right and voice. Even now, on another thread, people are queuing up - like Caesars putative assassins - to stick their knife into the corpse of the BBC. One of the few allies the masses had.

Those who think the Tory party are for working people against the "elite", are ignorant of recent political history and recent Tory politicians

For those too young to remember 1974, this is Keith Joseph's infamous "Eugenics" speech at Edgebaston:

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/101830

The balance of our population, our human stock is threatened.

A recent article in Poverty, published by the Child Poverty Action Group, showed that
a high and rising proportion of children are being born to mothers least fitted to bring children into the world and bring them up.
They are born to mother who were first pregnant in adolescence in social classes 4 and 5.

Many of these girls are unmarried, many are deserted or divorced or soon will be.
Some are of low intelligence, most of low educational attainment.
They are unlikely to be able to give children the stable emotional background, the consistent combination of love and firmness which are more important than riches.

They are producing problem children, the future unmarried mothers, delinquents, denizens of our borstals, sub-normal educational establishments, prisons, hostels for drifters.

Yet these mothers, the under-twenties in many cases, single parents, from classes 4 and 5, are now producing a third of all births. A high proportion of these births are a tragedy for the mother, the child and for us.

I'm struggling to sympathize with the bbc ...
They have pandered to the Tories since 2015 and this is what they get for their sycophantcy.
I predicted this last year.
anyone who thinks boris or the tory party cummings minions will keep any of their promises is s fool.

There's no suggestion that Braverman has behaved inappropriately, but she should have move to clearly disassociate herself from this sect assuming she was aware of the sexual abuse allegations.

The sexual abuse allegations appear to relate to incidents in the 1970s, 80s and early 1990s. From a previous Guardian article, the victim mentioned in the latest article (Mark Dunlop) left the order in 1985.

Just to be clear - what sect should Braverman disassociate herself from? The Triratna Buddhist Community in general or just the London Buddhist Centre? You don't mind if she visits the Manchester [Triratna] Buddhist Centre instead - which also hosts visits from 2,000 school students every year?

"Suella Braverman is understood to attend the London Buddhist Centre, one of Triratna’s main hubs, once or twice a month."

From the website:
"We offer hosted visits to the London Buddhist Centre...as well as visiting schools within the Greater London area and beyond.We deliver engaging sessions and workshops whether at the LBC or in your classroom or hall."

"For teachers and student teachers we provide half or whole day training in key aspects of Buddhism alongside creative teaching ideas."

"We receive a lot of positive feedback from staff and students of all ages who love seeing the London Buddhist Centre and enjoy the friendly and accessible teaching in and out of school.Many schools and colleges make annual bookings with us."
Feeback quotes from Morpeth School, South Hampstead High School, several primary schools and a cub pack.

www.bodhitree.org.uk/what-we-do/

Guardian article 2016;
"Vajrasana retreat centre review–magnificent, modern Buddhist haven."

"Established in a former Victorian fire station building in Bethnal Green in the 1970s, the London Buddhist Centre has since grown to become a thriving community hub, home to a vegetarian restaurant, charity shops and residences, seeing over 1,000 people attend its meditation workshops and yoga classes each week. A partnership with Tower Hamlets council facilitates mindfulness and wellbeing courses for care workers and people suffering from anxiety and addiction, which will extend to the Vajrasana retreat."

So Labour run Tower Hamlets Council are putting vulnerable people in harm's way?

www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/jul/15/vajrasana-retreat-centre-review-suffolk-london-buddhist

(Since eugenics has been mentioned) ... there was a Monkey Cage a while back, where an evolutionary biologist stated with absolute confidence that they could increase human lifespan by quite a bit (at least double it) if they were able to rule the world.

With reference to the architectural obsessions, never underestimate the scope of delusions of grandeur some manics have.

The secret is to ensure that women don't have children till at least their 30s to start with, and slowly raise that age incrementally to allow the biology to catch up. Apparently this behaviour is already common in some species (I think fish were mentioned).

(DB says they are trying to virtualise whatever would happen, to get an idea of the genes involved for clues for future medicines).

Probably due a remake of "The Time Machine". As Wells intended.

I agree, yoikes
If the BBC had stuck to the original standards and principles of John Reith, then I would have fiercely defended them to the end

However, since 2010 they have become a government mouthpiece
Whatever party is in power, that's completely against the ethos under which the BBC was founded

For reliable news, I go to Sky or C4, or increasingly the Irish media
Not the BBC
They have long ago sold out and become not fit for purpose, not worth a licence fee

Let them continue as a subscription-only channels, for people who want to pay to watch Laura K crawl around BJ's arse crack.

The Guardian Jan 2019:
10 of the best meditation retreats in the UK and Europe

"Leave the outside world behind on a retreat at the brand new Vajrasana centre in the Suffolk countryside east of Bury St Edmunds." Courses are run by the London Buddhist Centre, but you don’t need to be Buddhist to attend.

www.theguardian.com/travel/2019/jan/14/10-best-meditation-mindfulness-retreats-holidays-uk-europe

I'm struggling to sympathize with the bbc ... [] They have pandered to the Tories since 2015 and this is what they get for their sycophancy. I predicted this last year.

Well that's two of us. They have ...

...squandered their resistance for a pocketful of mumbles such are promises ...

(with deepest apologies to Paul Simon)

Also in the Guardian article;
"Last week, one of its senior members, who goes by the Buddhist name Vishvapani, expressed his delight at Braverman’s appointment"

The journalist didn't bother to look this guy up then;

"Vishvapani is a writer, broadcaster and mindfulness teacher, best known for his contributions to BBC Radio 4’s Thought for the Day. He has led around 70 mindfulness courses and continues to teach many of eight week courses in Cardiff and across the UK. He also teaches mindfulness in criminal justice and healthcare settings. Vishvapani is an Associate of Breathworks Mindfulness and The Mindfulness Initiative and the Mindfulness All Party Parliamentary Group in the UK Parliament."

Growing up in Harrow, we weren't too far from Bhaktivedanta Manor, which always intrigued. Mainly because George Harrison deliberately donated it to the Hare Krishna movement to annoy the stockbroker belt it's set in.

If we are unwinding the changes of the last 150 years or so, maybe there will be a revival of ceremonial hermits for lorded country manors ? I can think of nothing more ghastly than to live as a zoo animal surrounded by the faux spoils of some entitled twats ancestors grand tour set amongst a gawdawful folly in ruralshire somewhere.

Meanwhile, I notice that architects and engineers have been touring the Black Country Living Museum having been told it's a pilot scheme the government are going to roll out nationwide. Imperial measures and old money compulsory, shoes optional.

Jesus Clav desperate much?

That isn't the point of the article.

He also teaches mindfulness in criminal justice

a weird continuum to the Christmas Humphreys connection

Personally I don't see how a Buddhist can accommodate the death penalty. I guess hypocrisy is endemic.

So this is basically the same argument you used upthread, that because the sect does some positive things that cancels out a history of a culture of sexual abuse that was actually, if you read the previous article in the Guardian, not just being perpetrated on a widespread basis but was expressed in the teachings. Basically that Boys would benefit by being away from their mothers and in a homosexual relationship. There was also coercion to stop victims reporting it to the Police.

The only bit of your argument that has changed is that it Is even more OK because this happened in the past.

You are familiar with the increasing numbers of historic sex abuse cases now coming to court? And the lifelong damage to mental health of failing to provide the victims with justice and a chance to address the resultant PTSD?

Historic sex abuse cannot be erased by a self serving agenda of providing teaching opportunities to schools.

If I was associated with an organisation with a history like this, never mind that I was the AG responsible for delivering justice to victims, I would want to be very sure that the whole issue was fully investigated and appropriate action taken both to bring any perpetrators to justice and to provide the victims with recognition of the severity of the crime against them, before I let my name be associated in any way.

malylis
That isn't the point of the article

I was quite clearly answering Mistigri's post - what's it got to do with you?

She posted;
"There's no suggestion that Braverman has behaved inappropriately, but she should have move to clearly disassociate herself from this sect assuming she was aware of the sexual abuse allegations."

If Braverman needs to disassociate herself then a whole lot of other people and organisations do as well.

If I was associated with an organisation with a history like this, never mind that I was the AG responsible for delivering justice to victims, I would want to be very sure that the whole issue was fully investigated and appropriate action taken both to bring any perpetrators to justice and to provide the victims with recognition of the severity of the crime against them, before I let my name be associated in any way.

So Green Party MP Caroline Lucas is an exception then?

brightonbuddhistcentre.co.uk/courses/transforming-world-and-self/

Is Caroline Lucas the Attorney General?

Well, I don't think Labour's last two Attorney Generals are anything to crow about. Between the two of them; illegal immigrant employment, expenses, extra marital affair, Iraq War controversy, arms deal...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patricia_Scotland

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Goldsmith,_Baron_Goldsmith