Westminstenders: The Final Week

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Our final week in the EU...

BJ will never admit he screwed up, so he'll need scapegoats to assuage the disappointment of his Brexiter supporters
It'll be the EU, Remainers , "the elite"....

Barnier's statement on the EU Commission's negotiating directives:

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/speech200_185

"....It is important, however, to understand that, even if we do achieve such a ‘best-in-class' free trade agreement, it will not be ‘business as usual'.

We will have two separate markets instead of one single market:

•	  <span class="italic">Rules of origin and customs formalities will apply between the UK and the EU;</span>

•	  <span class="italic">Access to the EU market will be subject to certification and market authorisation and supervision activities;</span>

•	  There will be no harmonisation or mutual recognition of rules.

•	  This means, for example, that <span class="italic">UK financial services suppliers will no longer have the passporting rights they used to enjoy under Union legislation.</span>

All imports of goods, or services supplied in the EU will need to comply with EU rules, be iton safety, health or other standards protecting our public policy objectives.

As a result, goods entering the Union will, for example, be subject to regulatory checks.

These are the automatic, mechanical consequences of the UK's choices.

Businesses must adapt now to this new reality."

However, I expect the blame game to get much worse, as Brexiter fantasies smack against economic reality

Yes the economic reality is that our closest neighbours and trading partners since time immemorial, in 2020 just so happen to belong to a powerful trading bloc.That's the reality. We may not like it but they do.

All Johnson's nonsense about why should we accept the EU terms anymore than France or Germany would accept ours. Errr because we want to trade with them! If we were ever in the dreamy position of being in a powerful bloc that France or Germany wanted to trade with then they would accept our terms!

Its interesting though Politicians (supported by some media) may keep on trying the blame game - but will it really continue to wash with the electorate? Many will think well we've left now so what's it to do with the EU. I think the tide will turn and the reporting of the Streatham attack somehow showed the start of that.

All the Scottish publications, as well as the English regional press, were also excluded from the Downing Street briefing.

The political editor of The Herald wasn't even told about it - so so much for it being "non-political editors trying to force their way in"

https://www.thenational.scot/politics/18208169.media-boycott-scottish-titles-snubbed-downing-street/

they're bothered when they hear those from a non-English speaking country talking to each other in their own language whilst in the UK

The posters on the Queens English thread would probably rationalise that the YouGov poll was hijacked by nefarious Remainers carrying out a false-flag operation to smear noble Leavers.

This means, for example, that UK financial services suppliers will no longer have the passporting rights they used to enjoy under Union legislation.

Oh god I just thought. I hope the City moves and losses don't lead to suicides like the Lloyd's Names losses did. There were at least 30 members who died prematurely from suicide etc in the 90's.

Also has anyone fully looked at this? www.gov.uk/guidance/trading-with-the-uk-as-an-eu-business-after-brexit

1. Why is it inEnglish and Polish only?
2. Why is this all clearly planned now when we don't know what is happening in 2021? In contrast to that ridiculous expensive last minute frantic get ready for Brexit campaign in October that then didn't happen at the time.

From the Toronto Star . And the Canadians are historically our friends sometimes it takes a friend to tell you like it is., but there again, the UK Government has its fingers stuck firmly in its ears

All Johnson's nonsense about why should we accept the EU terms anymore than France or Germany would accept ours. Errr because we want to trade with them!

In the unlikely event that we have higher standards than France or Germany, firms from those countries wishing to trade with us would have to accept our standards. Whether they will do so, I would imagine on the volume of trade they do.

I hope the City moves and losses don't lead to suicides like the Lloyd's Names losses did.
I was working in the Inland Revenue back then, and in our District we dealt with the tax affairs of about 30 Names. Each and every one had made substantial losses, and I mean substantial - i.e. hundreds of thousands at least. (This at a time when someone on £10K thought they had a good salary.)

Re Lloyds Names losses - I was living in a village where a 'Name' committed suicide - 3 children under 8. Devastated the whole family.

Sajid Javid is at war with Dominic Cummings and has been battling to save his job

A poster on these threads said that "The Saj" wasn't long for this cabinet. Possibly Patel too. And Cleverly is reported to be looking at the out door. I guess Boris just doesn't like Scorpios - I can't see what else they have in common ?

Cummings birthday is 25 November perhaps he's a wannabe Scorpio.

I once worked somewhere where the Scorpio boss recruited a large number of other scorpios - it was one of those office jokes.

Meanwhile, it seems the Norton crash wasn't so out of the blue. It's starting to look like the guy that "rescued" it was really "doing a Rover" (as it's called in these parts) and saw a chance to fleece a few investors.

www.itv.com/news/2020-01-30/pension-holders-lose-out-amid-the-crash-of-norton-motorcycles/

So on the one hand, we can't directly blame Brexit (and Brexiteers will be the first to pipe up and roar that).

However the deeper problem is that Norton was held up - by Brexiteers - as exactly the sort of business that would pull the UK out of the EU.

...
A year ago, Stephen Barclay, the outgoing Brexit Secretary, said Norton was an example of a "great business" that would thrive when Britain leaves the EU.
...

so if we take him at his word, the sort of companies that will thrive after Brexit are dodgy ones built on debt and sand where the owners have removed all the value, and the workers and investors can go fuck themselves big time with a union flag ?

Anyone care to check my working ?

I know this thread is intellectual but:

Theresa May birthday -! October

Cameron -9 October

Its like that Outliers book by Malcolm Gladwell. All about why some people get jobs , promotions etc much more than others.

Johnson's birthday (June) doesn't fit which makes me think that those earlier in the academic year like Cummings will keep on pulling his strings.

Norton was held up - by Brexiteers - as exactly the sort of business that would pull the UK out of the EU.

The posters on the Queens English thread would probably rationalise that the YouGov poll was hijacked by nefarious Remainers carrying out a false-flag operation to smear noble Leavers British People.

Fixed it for you to conform to The New Brexitannia lexicon.

The comment about Scorpio was a little bit of code. If "The Saj", Patel and Cleverely find themselves suddenly available for speaking engagements, there might be another thing they all have in common.

free trade is God’s diplomacy

I wonder how long it takes to get from this to tax is theft. I hope we don't get many more references to God and Christianity in speeches. I might get suspicious.

"No taxation without representation" ?

"Might is right" ?

"Up the Villa" ?

My first day in EU as a UK citizen. Had to go through a different queue at airport. Took a whole 5 minutes more to get through

In my experience this has been the case for ages because the UK is not in Schengen. And I've come off a flight more than once into a passport queue for everyone because they've only got one border post open and haven't bothered with one for EEA+CH citizens. I'm actually surprised more European airports don't have e-gates, the only one I've been through so far with them was CPH (where we got told off for not using them, but the age limit was 16, and my son was 15 at the time)

Both Vienna and Marseille have e-gates. I have yet to try out Marseille post EU but Vienna still works for old UK passports. I don't know about the non-EU Little Englander passports.

Would be sorry to see Javid go for one reason only - he values the FE sector and said he’d put money into it.
I doubt the rest of them are even vaguely aware of what it does.

I can't quite get over just how sore the Brexiters are - they won, why are they still telling us why they voted the way they did?

They don't have e-Gates at Toulouse. In practice they don't separate EU and other arrivals (there are usually only 2 booths open anyway).

There are e-gates for the eurostar at the Gard du Nord, and long queues for people who can't use them (all under 18s have to go through manual controls). It'll be a mess if Britons can't use the e-gates in future, but I don't expect anything to change this year.

dgr I guess Boris just doesn't like Scorpios - I can't see what else they have in common ?
I wonder...

Re the dreadfully sad ‘speak English’ row. I used to have two Polish colleagues who’d speak Polish to each but then switch to English immediately an English-speaking person came into the room. I was impressed by their skill at changing to another vocabulary so quickly; they said it was basic manners.