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Westminstenders: The Final Week

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RedToothBrush · 25/01/2020 20:41

Our final week in the EU...

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BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2020 16:43

I agree he's the best of an uninspiring lot
At least he's not a full-on TRA supporter, or babbling rubbish like Jess Phillips did

Listening You're absolutely right: it was a lawyer's Webchat Grin
Maybe if he is elected leader there will be a real Starmer who will stand up and feel able to voice his opinions

ListeningQuietly · 03/02/2020 16:48

BigChoc
Momentum loathe him and he loathes Momentum.
He will say nothing that gives them an excuse to lay into him until the ballot closes.
Once assuming he wins, he'll change his tune I suspect.
The anti semitism answer made clear what he thinks of how HQ has been run ....

tobee · 03/02/2020 17:45

I was just pondering.

The only hope we have is that the press/media etc will have learnt from Trumpian behaviour and will be less on the book foot re their antics

Also how long do people think the stupid phrase people's parliament will have traction for population? Is it appealing to people? Or does it not matter? It's the kind of crud that would appeal to readers of certain parts of the tabloid press but...?

tobee · 03/02/2020 17:48

Apparently, Rory Stewart was in my neck of the woods today. A (libdem) friend of mine asked if I wanted to see him. I declined as I've been happily taking an ostrich approach to politics recently (mostly). Also, I like our current mayor. Thanks.

tobee · 03/02/2020 17:49

*back foot.

What is book foot?

Songsofexperience · 03/02/2020 17:57

free trade is God’s diplomacy – the only certain way of uniting people in the bonds of peace since the more freely goods cross borders the less likely it is that troops will ever cross borders.

^^quote from Johnson's speech. Who else finds this staggering?
I don't know where to start with this one.

thecatfromjapan · 03/02/2020 18:20

Just want to nip in wrt the Keir Starmer webchat.

I thought 'changing the culture' and 'allowing open debate' were incredibly strong considering the constraints within which he's speaking.

So ... I felt positive.

(And, in any sane universe, given the ratings R L-B has amongst the electorate, no sane CLPs would be endorsing her. But things aren't sane. And they are. 🤷‍♀️)

Peregrina · 03/02/2020 18:36

Momentum loathe him and he loathes Momentum.

Sounds like a good recommendation to me!

Arseaboutdarkly · 03/02/2020 18:40

free trade is God’s diplomacy – the only certain way of uniting people in the bonds of peace since the more freely goods cross borders the less likely it is that troops will ever cross borders.

Wtaf??

RedToothBrush · 03/02/2020 18:52

I'm pleased at the journalists sticking together but I'm alarmed though thoroughly unsurprised that No10 think that's OK.

It's quite clear they will do it again, and again and again and hope that journalists crack.

It shows very keenly what I have suspected and feared would happen post election though.

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dontcallmelen · 03/02/2020 18:56

Certainly escalation of the authoritarian stance that DC seems to embrace so wholeheartedly, really really hope the journalist do stick together otherwise it’s conquer & divide territory a very scary thought.

Clavinova · 03/02/2020 18:56

In response to my colleague Rowena Mason’s report about political journalists boycotting a No 10 briefing... all those involved - those invited, and those not invited - were regular political correspondents.

Rowena Mason report in the Guardian:
"All the invited journalists were political editors rather than Brexit specialists."

Robert Peston and Laura Kuenssberg (on the invited list and named in the report) are indeed policital editors - not regular political correspondents.

TheElementsOdeToJoy · 03/02/2020 19:14

Oh, well, as long as any given thing isn't the worst possible manifestation that could occur, everything is just fiiiiiiine Hmm They should have put that on the side of the bus.

AuldAlliance · 03/02/2020 19:21

BCF, I'm just back from a long day at work, but this was my experience of applying for French nationality by decree (more complex than by marriage to a French national; I should have done it before I got divorced...)

I had to provide lots of paperwork and details, including every job I'd had in France since arriving and every one of the 15 addresses I'd lived at, with dates of arrival and departure, (I presume no one checked that bit, as some of my replies were a bit creative...), my parents' birth and marriage certificates, my birth and marriage certificates, evidence of divorce, my kids' birth certificates, proof that I'd paid all due taxes, etc.
Fortunately, I have a friend who is a certified translator and whom I often help out with translations, so he translated any English language documents into French for free.

After 5 months, I was called to the gendarmerie for an interview. I was asked about why I wanted to become French, how involved I was in the local community, etc.
I presume he was assessing my ability to speak French at the same time.

I didn't have to sit a language test as I have a PhD from a French university, which was deemed evidence of my language skills.

I did, though, have to go to the Préfecture, a 100km round trip, and take a test with questions about French literature/culture/history, whether same sex marriage is allowed, whether any religions are banned in France, and other quite straightforward points. I'd revised extensively and was ready to reel off dates for the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, the various stages of the Revolution, the legalisation of abortion, the introduction of free education for all, etc., as well as the names of local/national politicians and the details of which layers of government are responsible for what, because those things were in the sample tests I'd seen online, but none of that was needed on the day.

Then I waited for 13 months.

Mistigri · 03/02/2020 19:33

the more freely goods cross borders the less likely it is that troops will ever cross borders

He's making a very good case for remaining in both the single market and customs union ;)

Mistigri · 03/02/2020 19:36

Sounds like a right PITA Auld. I'm going to wait until I'm 65 and use the ascendant of a French citizen route.

My kids got FR nationality by declaration at 13 and it was the quickest and easiest bureaucratic process ever, plus the court staff were lovely.

MysteryTripAgain · 03/02/2020 19:38

My first day in EU as a UK citizen. Had to go through a different queue at airport. Took a whole 5 minutes more to get through.

Oh dear the disadvantages of leaving the EU are horrific.

thecatfromjapan · 03/02/2020 19:40

Good grief.

That is shocking about the exclusion of some media outlets.

BlackeyedSusan · 03/02/2020 19:56

Slowly boiled frogs...

Little things.. building up to bigger things.

The next labour leader better be bloody brilliant.

AuldAlliance · 03/02/2020 20:08

It was a bit of a faff, Mistigri, but nothing compared to the mountain of paperwork for the divorce, and I was quite familiar by then with the various websites for getting birth/marriage certificates.
One of the biggest faffs was the tax document, as it involved sending the tax office various documents and waiting for an online reply.
I did that before the interview, but when I arrived at the Préfecture the building was shut due to a burst pipe. By the time I got a second interview appointment, my tax doc was no longer valid because some tax (d'habitation, maybe?) had fallen due in the interim and getting another certificate of payment slowed the process down by a month at least.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/02/2020 21:00

Very rare that so many journalists across the political spectrum can agree so vehemently on something
This Trumpist tactic didn't play well in the UK

Paul Waughh@paulwaugh*

I can safely say that in 22 years of being a political journalist, I've never experienced a day like today.

No.10 sources now insisting that political editors like myself "are not banned, they are just not invited".
< 😭 🤦🏻‍♀️ >

Journalists Walk Out As Downing Street Tries To Ban Some News Outlets From Briefing

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/no10-walkout-journalists-lee-cain-trumpukk_5e384359c5b6f262332d9603?

Solidarity shown by political editors after they were split into two groups.

Adam Boultonn@adamboultonSKY*

Congratulations to my Westminster Journalist colleagues for standing firm against Number 10's Baby Trumpism.
Quite right.

Julia Hartley-Brewerr@JuliaHB1*

It is totally unacceptable for Number 10 to try to pick and choose which journalists can attend Lobby briefings.

All credit to the integrity and professionalism of those journalists who refused to accept the briefing when others were excluded. This stuff matters in a democracy
[[https://mobile.twitter.com/mrjohnofarrell
John O'Farrell]]l@mrjohnofarrell*

Hats off to those journalists who walked out today.
An important free-press principle being asserted here - we cannot go the way of Trump's White House and have only pro-government journalists allowed into the room.

ICouldHaveBeenAContender · 03/02/2020 21:04

A Dutch town has replace the Union flag with a Saltire.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 03/02/2020 21:09

Isn’t the God’s diplomacy quote something to do with the Corn Laws from the 19th century?

Not sure how much relevance it has to 21st century trade negotiations but as Misti says it seems like a good argument for not leaving the EU.

pointythings · 03/02/2020 21:09

Mystery if you had to go through a different exit, somebody isn't honouring the transition... Nothing changes until the 31st of December 2020.