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Westminstenders: The Final Week

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RedToothBrush · 25/01/2020 20:41

Our final week in the EU...

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RedToothBrush · 01/02/2020 11:58

Peter Foster@pmdfoster
NEW: #Brexit champagne corks not out of bottle yet, but can reveal taste of what is to come.

UK will run full border for EU imports - 'no deal' plans prioritising trade flows to be junked 1/thread

Biz groups to be told the 'good news' in meeting on Feb 10.

Radical departure from the October 'no deal' plans, that were designed to minimise checks to keep goods flowing - medicines, fruit and veg. etc. /2

Per source: “We are planning full checks on all EU imports - export declarations, security declarations, animal health checks and all supermarket goods to pass through Border Inspections Posts.” /3

Per source, No 10 has ordered all Whitehall departments to prepare for the full checks. XO committee, with Border Delivery Group will supervise and deliver.

This is radical shift; aim looks to be to create some leverage re EU and 'WTO rules' offering easy access to UK /4

Trade groups pretty shocked when I spoke to them today.

One trade chief, who spoke on condition of anonymity to preserve his relations with govt, said the UK “might as well put the barbed wire up” /5

A second noted @michaelgove had said that the UK wanted a trade relationship based on the EU-Canada deal - but that requires one in ten of all animal products to have physical checks. “The borders won’t work if you have to run these types of processes." /6

Haulier will be hit hardest. Freight Transport Association's @BastidonPauline @newsfromfta says if govt carries thru expect "serious consequences for supply chains" calls it "unwelcome departure from the previous pragmatic approach” /7

And Andrew Opie of @the_brc Britsh Retail Consortium wanrs of "significant impact on produce in our stores"... "less availability, shorter shelf life for fresh produce, and potentially higher costs for consumers.” /8

One one level this makes sense from a trade policy perspective.

As we saw with 'no deal' tariffs offering zero-tariff access to UK for 87% of goods, Canada dropped its 'rollover' deal. Why bother if markets open anyway? /9

Which is why the 'no deal' tariff schedule is also being reviewed.

But truth is, EU is unlikely to be moved by these threats - UK doesn't have the land, the time, the personnel to really start full checks 1.1.2021 /10

Per EU senior source: “We saw similar threats from Theresa May, but frankly we never believed them. And if the UK is actually ready for border checks - which are indeed coming - then so much the better for both sides.”/11

It is also not clear what this will mean for the Northern Ireland 'frontstop'

The GB-NI 'Irish Sea' border will have to do more.

NI will be further 'diverged' from GB (tho more advantaged harder GB plays it). /12

But that’s all for about day

We’re out. 😮

#BrexitReality #Brexit #BrexitBritain ENDS

Ready by 31st December?

Yeah OK...

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lonelyplanetmum · 01/02/2020 12:02

Yes DrB exactly some of those who voted to Leave were doing so on a 'protest' vote and so were anti-establishment in terms those voters seeing the EU / Brussels as the establishment.

But now that establishment has gone so the establishment to react against is the govt which is now 100% aligned with the Leave position -so the reactionaries have a dilemma. There will be inevitable moans that this isn't Brexity enough so reacting against it in that way. But in some cases there will be a perverse swing -the other way back towards the EU benefits.

cologne4711 · 01/02/2020 12:04

And thought I'd remind everyone about the one EU country you can still live in and eventually gain citizenship of, your next door neighbour

I have already mentioned it to ds as the one back door to regaining his EU citizenship.

I do wonder for how long the CTA will stay though. You can have an open land border in Ireland without one at the airports or ports.

Apileofballyhoo · 01/02/2020 12:30

I wonder about the CTA too, cologne. I suppose it depends on how stable everything is.

DGRossetti · 01/02/2020 12:30

Local radio (BBC WM) was continuing to act as the propaganda machine, interviewing a haulage firm that had lorries set to go to Europe hammering home the "nothing to see" message. They might change their tune - and jobs - in a few months.

Chez Rossetti, yesterday was a Friday like all others. Seemed the best way to be.

Frankiestein402 · 01/02/2020 12:37

No fireworks here at 2300 (hertsmere) but there were a few {probably one house} at midnight. Kind of says it all really.

The80sweregreat · 01/02/2020 12:53

I remember (vaguely) joining the common market as it was called then. My parents voted no (but remain in 2016 believe it or not! They obviously saw the benefits over time)
They were not happy about it ( they had lived through a horrible war and were a bit suspicious of greater unity with Europe) but they got on with it and I hardly heard any whinging or back biting towards people that voted yes. It was a general acceptance of trying something different. There wasn't any social media then of course..

It was the Conservatives who took us in and the Conservatives they are taking us out which I do find fascinating. How so many views changed as well ; lots there for the history books here written by people with bigger brains than me.
Our relationship with Europe has always been turbulent though and the media also have a lot to answer for as well.
I'm not confident that our current government will do a good job but I'd love to be proved wrong. I really do have hope as that's all that's left now. I still feel we're divided and it'll take years for that to die down too despite calls for ' pulling together'.

yoikes · 01/02/2020 13:11

Pleased but mildly surprised at no fireworks/bunting/union jacks around here yesterday.

Dh and I had a 7 year "plan".

No idea what's going to happen now.

ListeningQuietly · 01/02/2020 13:44

We are still Europeans
like the Swiss and the Norwegians
the trade deal is the one to watch

I strongly suspect that no company will blame Brexit for the coming job losses
but the Government will still be left with a smaller tax base

SwedishEdith · 01/02/2020 14:35

Thought it was interesting that Boris seemed to have allowed Nige to be the one taking all the adulation for getting Brexit done, whilst he did a pre-recorded speech for the nation. The start of trying to disconnect himself from the blame ?

Good point.

AuldAlliance · 01/02/2020 15:21

Apologies if this has already been linked to.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/31/brexit-midsummer-nights-dream-politicians

DrBlackbird · 01/02/2020 16:30

a perverse swing -the other way back towards the EU benefits

LonelyPlanet I'd like to think so. Hopefully. Maybe? But maybe not for a long time... A friend who shocked me by saying he'd voted to Leave admitted it was on the basis of a 'protest vote'. protesting against what god only knows And when pressed if he'd vote remain now (this was before the election and hope for a people vote still existed), he said he wouldn't just because he's 'stubborn'. At that point I knew Remain had well and truly lost.

AuldAlliance · 01/02/2020 16:39

I've just read Macron's open letter to the UK about after Brexit.
I'm not a fan of his, but it's well pitched.

DGRossetti · 01/02/2020 16:58

Just leave this here...

Westminstenders: The Final Week
DGRossetti · 01/02/2020 16:59

And this ...

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

Brexit trade talks: EU to back Spain over Gibraltar claims

The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to Gibraltar in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels.

The Observer has learned that the Spanish government has insisted on reference to the Rock in the EU’s opening negotiating position, which will be published in draft form on Monday.

Boris Johnson will be presented with the choice of reaching agreement with the Spaniards about Gibraltar’s future or exposing its citizens to economic peril by pushing it outside any EU-UK trade deal.

“They have in principle asked that the new relationship not apply to Gibraltar without the explicit consent of Spain, which will only be given if the bilateral talks with Spain and the UK over the rock are resolved,” a senior EU diplomat said.

(contd)

All done by December ?

SwedishEdith · 01/02/2020 17:00

The media seemed to completely forget about Gibraltar. Shock, horror, the EU backs the EU.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

AuldAlliance · 01/02/2020 17:08

Shaping up entirely predictably. The next few months will be eventful and painful...

DGRossetti · 01/02/2020 17:14

The media seemed to completely forget about Gibraltar.

I'd hazard a guess they were encouraged to report on other things.

We could spend the next 10 years arguing over Gibraltar, which is going to be Brexits first existential crisis. With every other country in the EU now free from the shackles of UK oppression, I doubt we're in for an easy ride. I can't see any reason why the Spanish request would be refused - after all, it's the will of Gibraltar.

cologne4711 · 01/02/2020 17:16

I thought the Spanish and British governments HAD agreed arrangements for Gibraltar - unless that was only connected with the withdrawal agreement.

I hadn't forgotten about Gibraltar.

However, the Spanish were one of the first EU member states to safeguard British citizens' rights there.

I am inclined to think the Guardian is off on one here.

SpecLosers · 01/02/2020 17:18

Since Gibraltar has been effectively abandoned by the Mother Ship, best thing would be to rejoin with Spain.

But.... what would happen to their duty free status and gaming industry and all the rest of it?

I dunno. Do you? Could they become and independent Statelet or something?

Plenty of Costa Brits love going there to feel at home and shop at Morrissons and M+S. I know that is not the primary concern, but the absence of Gibraltar's Status from all Brexit issues so far is telling.

PeninsulaPanic · 01/02/2020 19:00

almost as if someone was just letting one off

My thoughts about the last (almost) 4 years here, exactly 😉

PostNotInHaste · 01/02/2020 19:04

Not very happy to find this on FB group.

Westminstenders: The Final Week
TheElementsOdeToJoy · 01/02/2020 19:18

Is it just me or has there been an explosion in posters (some of whom claim to be Remainers) with a narrative approximately like this:

(1) It''s done
(2) There is nothing [we Remainers] can do to influence anything about it now
(3) Therefore get over it/ do not experience negative emotion/ move on
(4) But furthermore now [Remainers] must carry out the following - heal/unite/support/pull together/postively emote
(5) Because if Remainers do not do (4) then despite (2) it will be all Remainers' fault if there are no unicorns frolicking in the Sunlit Uplands.

As an addendum:
(6) Also it is unreasonable to expect Leavers to have any responsibility for any of the above because something to do with bullyingpunishment.

ListeningQuietly · 01/02/2020 19:18

Trump will be acquitted and then will win a second term.

The May Local elections in the UK will be interesting.

BUT
We have to fight against the real threat to Democracy
www.ted.com/talks/carole_cadwalladr_facebook_s_role_in_brexit_and_the_threat_to_democracy?language=en

ListeningQuietly · 01/02/2020 19:20

But in good news,
The Maldives has rejoined the Commonwealth after sorting out its nasty politics under the last president

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