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Westminstenders: The Final Week

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RedToothBrush · 25/01/2020 20:41

Our final week in the EU...

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DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 15:36

Many years ago, my DF had a customer who was Irish - from the Republic. He said he learned Gaelic first, and was then taught English - and indeed all his lessons - in Gaelic.

My DF knew a lot of Irish - as with Indians and West Indians they didn't have a very pleasant time in the 60s and tended to stick together. But there was an added Catholic dimension with the Irish Grin

DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 15:39

Meanwhile ...

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/promises-to-uk-fishing-industry-were-just-another-brexit-fantasy-tm7z96v53

“The fishing industry played a central role in the Brexit campaign as a symbol of all that was supposedly wrong with the EU. The tale of how it was betrayed in the negotiations over Britain’s entry to the European Communities in 1973 supplied the original stab-in-the-back narrative that sustained the anti-EU cause for 47 years. Brussels’ demand that Britain open up its waters to rapacious foreign trawlers was a disaster for British fishing. Leaving the EU was an opportunity to reverse this historic injustice by quitting the hated Common Fisheries Policy and taking back control of Britain’s territorial waters.

“Yet as with so often with Brexit, this narrative was almost entirely wrong. It was not the EEC, as it then was, which brought foreign fishing fleets into British waters. They had been fishing them for centuries. The fisheries policy, for the most part, codified fishing rights that already existed by allocating quotas to European fishing fleets based on historic catches. It is true that the British fleet dwindled after joining the fisheries policy but that was true of fishing fleets everywhere, whether they were in the CFP or not, reflecting the trend towards larger ships and increased industrialisation.

“If the British industry declined faster than others it was in part due to a domestic political decision, unique in Europe, to allow British fishermen to sell their quotas. In a depressingly familiar story of British short-termism, many businesses took the opportunity to cash out rather than invest. The result is that more than half Britain’s quota is held by Dutch, Spanish and Icelandic-owned ships sailing under British flags. More than half Northern Ireland’s quota is hoarded on to a single trawler. One Dutch multinational controls a quarter of England’s quota.

“That is not to deny that there have been many problems with the CFP over the years. It took too long to grapple effectively with the problem of over-fishing. The result was that some fishing grounds had to be closed and quotas cut to allow stocks to revive. That included restrictions on North Sea cod fishing, which is important to the UK market. Nonetheless, recent reforms, that Britain played a leading role in shaping, appear to have addressed many of these issues.

“It is important to note that the CFP bought benefits to the UK fishing industry too. The reality is that Britain imports 70 per cent of the fish it eats, such as cod and haddock, but exports 80 per cent of the fish it catches, mostly to the EU.

“British waters are rich in species such as langoustines and crab, which are popular in France and Spain, and mackerel and herring, which are sold in Northern Europe. By opening up new markets for British-caught fish, EU membership helped create a thriving fish processing industry in Britain even as the numbers employed in catching fish dwindled.

“Yet Brexiteers characteristically promised the fishing industry that, outside the EU, Britain could have its cake and eat it. Britain would become an independent coastal nation again, they said, taking back control of its own territorial waters, which under the UN Law of the Sea extend 200 miles from the coast. It would be up to the British government to decide how much access, if any, to allow to foreign ships. British fishermen were told they could expect massive increases in quotas without any restrictions on their ability to sell their catches in European markets.

“This is of course a fantasy. Britain’s fishing fleet almost certainly doesn’t have the capacity to catch all the fish in British waters – and even if it did it would certainly need access to European markets to sell them. But the EU has been clear that the price of access to its markets must be access for its fishing fleets to British waters. There’s no reason to believe it is bluffing given that many EU countries have their own, often highly militant, fishing industries to worry about. Under the EU Council’s own negotiating guidelines, the EU wants a deal that would guarantee that existing access is maintained. Senior EU figures have suggested that access to EU markets for British financial services firms could hinge upon agreeing such a deal on fish.

“That has prompted talk of a major clash later this year. But it is hard to believe that Mr Johnson is really going to die in another of his famous ditches over an industry that generates less than one per cent of GDP and employs just 12,000 people. Besides some parts of the industry, not least fish processors, will be pressing for a deal. Environment secretary Theresa Villiers this week introduced a bill in parliament that legally guarantees Britain will leave the CFP. But the government will have little choice but to negotiate a new deal that looks remarkably similar to the CFP. How Mr Johnson sells that deal to those whose expectations he so recklessly raised remains to be seen.”

LouiseCollins28 · 30/01/2020 15:54

In fairness "£1.05 bat + £0.05 ball" in huge letters on the side of a red bus would look a bit shit tbh! Grin

HesterThrale · 30/01/2020 15:58

See how the rich get richer...

Brexit's richest fans are profiting as UK leaves EU

Billionaires grow richer as their wealth reaches beyond national borders and concerns

luxtimes.lu/european-union/39681-brexit-s-richest-fans-are-profiting-as-uk-leaves-eu

DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 16:13

Billionaires grow richer as their wealth reaches beyond national borders and concerns

When the Last Tree Is Cut Down, the Last Fish Eaten, and the Last Stream Poisoned, You Will Realize That You Cannot Eat Money

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:24

Well I'm not eating Rupert Murdoch. He'll be all chewy.

Peregrina · 30/01/2020 16:35

Johnson apparently has a Tory rebellion on his hands about HS2. A Bucks MP is upset. Oh dear, oh dear.

ListeningQuietly · 30/01/2020 16:40

Its going to be an interesting weekend on the south coast.
Motorways shut
Rail Lines shut
Franchised companies suing the pants off each other
because infrastructure is not properly planned
yippee

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 16:43

What was it they were saying about taking rail franchises back into public ownership just a few weeks ago.

Now where's our £350 million a week?

DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 16:45

Johnson apparently has a Tory rebellion on his hands about HS2. A Bucks MP is upset. Oh dear, oh dear.

Well, he can join the "bend over and take it" queue currently being headed up by IDS.

I see that "The Saj" has done a 180 on his pre election promises and all departments have been tasked with another 5% saving.

Peregrina · 30/01/2020 17:18

Bucks is of course, pig with a blue rosette territory, but last May in neighbouring S Oxon, the Tories lost control of the District Council. A council that would have been Tory controlled since the year dot.

There is some way to go before that gets replicated in a GE, but it could happen.

DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 17:23

Bucks is of course, pig with a blue rosette territory

So there is zero incentive for the Boris to do anything nice for them ...

but last May in neighbouring S Oxon, the Tories lost control of the District Council. A council that would have been Tory controlled since the year dot.

Unless the voters have finally cottoned onto "the game" ....

Mockers2020Vision · 30/01/2020 17:43

Newbury was LibDem not long ago, and MK is traditionally marginal.

DGRossetti · 30/01/2020 17:49

It's a nice pipedream to think of the lifelong Tory voters of Bucks being dumped to appease the Johnny-come-lately Northern Tories. Who knows ? It might drive the realignment of politics with consumer choice, where you need to swap insurers every year to stop them shafting you deeper and deeper.

Frankiestein402 · 30/01/2020 18:01

Urdu on the currciculum when most of your kids already speak it is all about them league tables.
And English where the kids already speak it?

Might be interesting to look at those contracts which passed quotas to EU boats - wonder if there was any 'get out' clause for the UK leaving the EU/losing quota.

GaspodeWonderCat · 30/01/2020 18:05

The ‘anti-woke’ backlash is no joke – and progressives are going to lose if they don’t wise up.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/30/anti-woke-backlash-liberalism-laurence-fox

Guardian article talking about something RTB mentioned forever ago. Social conservatism, anti-woke and identity politics.

yolofish · 30/01/2020 18:25

oh fuck although I am a Remainer through and through, I am clearly as thick as pigshit.

WHY is the answer 5p and not 10p? I dont understand

La Grande Place in Brussels seems to have put on a bit of a party today, seemingly very pro Brit (if through a European lens). I wonder if we will manage the same kind of grace tomorrow night outside the HoP.

ContinuityError · 30/01/2020 18:28

WHY is the answer 5p and not 10p? I dont understand

The total for the bat and ball is £1.10 and the bat is £1 more expensive than the ball. So the bat has to be £1.05 and the ball has to be £0.05 to add up to £1.10.

Icantreachthepretzels · 30/01/2020 18:31

I'm not following these threads anymore so I don't know if you all already know - but there is a push to get Ode to Joy to No 1 this weekend - if you can, please buy it on itunes (or wherever else you buy music these days - old gimmer alert).

yolofish · 30/01/2020 18:33

you see, that makes no sense to me whatsoever. The bat is £1, the ball is 10p, doesnt that make £1.10? Having written that I kind of see where you are coming from! But it still doesnt make sense to me. Thank god I am not running the economy!!

Peregrina · 30/01/2020 18:36

No it said the bat is £1 more, the more being the key word. If it was £1, the ball would have to be 10p but the bat is then only 90p more.

HarveySchlumpfenburger · 30/01/2020 18:42

The £1 is the difference in price between the bat and the ball, not the price of the bat, yolo.

Think of the price of a bat as being the cost of a ball + £1.

So buying a bat and a ball is the same as buying:
Ball + ball + £1 = £1.10

Funkycats · 30/01/2020 18:45

I had to Google the bat and ball question, but I'm still struggling to get my head round the answer

Funkycats · 30/01/2020 18:46

Thank you rafals, helpful Smile

midwestfornow · 30/01/2020 18:48

I knew this was a logic puzzle and that one pound more wasn't the same as a pound, even though part of me was thinking 1 pound for one ten pence for another.
I got as far as 10 pence and a pound more not adding up to 1:10.
Sadly my mental maths couldn't manage to solve it despite this 😂