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Nigel Farage is planning a £100,000 party in Parliament Square on the 31st January

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themueslicamel · 06/01/2020 10:48

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/01/04/nigel-farage-plans-100000-party-parliament-square-10000-brexiteers/amp/

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onalongsabbatical · 18/01/2020 18:04

Sooner or later, we will rejoin. The whole thing has been a colossal waste of time and energy.

Mockers2020Vision · 19/01/2020 08:06

Sooner or later, we will rejoin.

What we shall do is move back to alignment with an a la carte suite of bilateral deals, similar to Switzerland, and gradually we shall see the emergence of a new EU/EEA/Council of Europe agglomeration that will, with the likes of Schengen and the Eurozone, form a very complicated Venn Diagram.

Songsofexperience · 19/01/2020 09:19

*Democracy = Losers consent

If you are on the losing side you either;

Live with it,

Or

Do something about it*

mystery your answer whenever someone disagrees with brexit is to tell them to move to the EU. Please grow up and accept that half the population actually loathes what you're so keen on. Dissent is real and will only grow once negative consequences are felt by the wider public.
For the record though, I absolutely hope that brexit is a good idea and will be a success. I'm not ideologically wedded to remain but I see too many leavers wedded to their idea of brexit at all cost and that's a disaster.
I'm hoping that once the brexit process is properly started- and the fear of being thwarted is finally gone - that we can FINALLY have proper debates as to what direction the country should take. I don't like the sounds coming out of number 10 though. It looks to me like the next steps will be shrouded in secrecy and that's not very democratic. I thought opacity was exactly what was criticised about Brussels!

MysteryTripAgain · 19/01/2020 11:15

accept that half the population actually loathes what you're so keen on

Incorrect statement.

Over 400 constituencies voted leave in 2016.

In 2019 election 363 constituencies voted leave.

That’s a lot more than half.

Remainers can remain in the EU if they wish, but they will have to leave the UK.

CuteOrangeElephant · 19/01/2020 11:19

So the people that voted Remain in those constituencies don't count?

They are allowed to be unhappy.

AuldAlliance · 19/01/2020 11:19

Mystery, as several posters have already patiently explained to you, the 2019 GE was not a rerun of the 2016 referendum.
And the FPTP system means that the Tories won but Leave supporting parties did not actually get a majority of the votes, so even if it was a rerun of 2016 the result would not be what you suggest.

frumpety · 19/01/2020 11:42

Remainers can remain in the EU if they wish, but they will have to leave the UK.

Is there an EU grant for that ? I quite fancy moving to Brittany if there is Grin

Arkadas · 19/01/2020 11:48

Over 400 constituencies voted leave in 2016.
Constituencies are not individuals. Is this so difficult to understand? It is not 'constituencies' who are unhappy about this; it's people. The majority of PEOPLE did not vote for Brexit-supporting parties. The FPTP system in this country effectively disenfranchises many voters.

Arkadas · 19/01/2020 11:50

Incorrect statement.
No, ^^ that's an 'incorrect statement'.

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2020 14:00

How is the weather in your time zone Mystery ?
THe sun should have set by now ....

MysteryTripAgain · 19/01/2020 14:01

The FPTP system is always wrong according to the losers. The so called Labour landslide of 418 seats in 1997 represented 43% of the vote. I don’t remember labour voters saying that the FOTP system was wrong.

MysteryTripAgain · 19/01/2020 14:05

How is the weather in your time zone Mystery

In UK at the moment. Will leave 3 February.

TheMemoryLingers · 19/01/2020 14:05

Sorry, Nige, would have loved to come not but I will be busy drowning in despair washing my hair that night.

TSSDNCOP · 19/01/2020 14:19

Nothing will change for the ridiculous FOM Leavers on 31st Jan.

But you wait until they’re behind four planeloads of Russians arriving in Paphos in August at 11pm. The muppets will be all “oh shit” then.

Meanwhile, re the party to match the equally vulgar Farage. Surely a leaf out of Dubai’s book and seed the clouds is a plan?

AuldAlliance · 19/01/2020 14:39

Mystery I think you'll find that a lot of people, including Labour supporters, have been calling for electoral reform for a long time.
As have most parties, the problem being that when they get into power, it's thanks to FTPT so it suddenly becomes less urgent.
The Tories call for it less than others, because they know that with proportional representation, they'd lose out, especially in rUK.

MysteryTripAgain · 19/01/2020 15:33

the problem being that when they get into power, it's thanks to FTPT so it suddenly becomes less urgent

That’s why the system will never change.

ListeningQuietly · 19/01/2020 15:37

I wonder if the Tories will still push ahead with the Boundary review to drop to 600 seats
not that they hold several of the ones that will be abolished Grin

AuldAlliance · 19/01/2020 18:41

That’s why the system will never change.
Doesn't make it right or representative, though, does it?

There is a draft bill on it somewhere in the pipeline, but I reckon it'll stay in a deep drawer for a long time. Alongside the Russia report that Megxit has knocked out of everyone's minds...

NiceGuyNeddie · 19/01/2020 20:32

Apparently the Russia report is due soon. Or in the spring. Sometime anyway. And it'll be redacted but there's nothing to see anyway.

I'm still waiting for the Arcuri report from the CPS but that seems to have gone down the back of the sofa as well

Mockers2020Vision · 21/01/2020 13:35

I wonder if the Tories will still push ahead with the Boundary review to drop to 600 seats now they hold several of the ones that will be abolished?

Do you know, it's been such a long while since the review, I think we might need another review....

SoloD · 21/01/2020 13:46

@MysteryTripAgain

Very misleading, In fact add the votes of all the remain or 2nd ref parties together and they took 53% of the vote compared to 47% of Tories/BP/UKIP/DUP

This backs up the 2 previous elections (local and European) and all the polls.

We are being taken out against the current will of the British people.

But don't worry, once the economic consequences of Brexit are felt there will be a huge swing of support to rejoin. I predict in 10-15 years we will be back in.

NiceGuyNeddie · 21/01/2020 16:35

Well, they did say they'd have us back any time..

NiceGuyNeddie · 21/01/2020 18:49

Feeling more well-disposed towards the 'celebration' actually - let's face it, Leavers aren't exactly known for their happy dispositions and love of life. You've only got to look at Cummings horrible sour mug - the true face of Brexit.

Perhaps a bit of celebration is something to be encouraged.

PortiaCastis · 21/01/2020 19:05

I'm more interested in the Six Nations

MysteryTripAgain · 22/01/2020 07:11

Very misleading, In fact add the votes of all the remain or 2nd ref parties together and they took 53% of the vote compared to 47% of Tories/BP/UKIP/DUP

Where does labour figure in these numbers? Where labour a leave or remain party? Seemed to me at the time they were trying to be both.

Remember it is estimated that 5 million who voted leave in 2016 also voted labour in 2017 election.

So how do you know how the labour seats are split between leave and remain. My parents are leave supporters, but have voted labour all their lives as they are both from mining villages who traditionally vote labour regardless of anything else.

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