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Westminstenders: Penny dropping time

935 replies

RedToothBrush · 17/12/2019 08:12

Johnson already seems to be hinting at protections for workers rights and the environment that he promised are to be dropped.

Along with enshrining Brexit in law to the end of Dec 2020 thus creating another Brexit no deal date. This time without any safety net in parliament.

"won't Johnson be more liberal than he suggested" they cry

About that...

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ListeningQuietly · 19/12/2019 16:21

DGR
Yup, India is turning itself into a Hindu state

and in the UK Corbyn has hamstrung his successor by making sure that Seamus Milne will be roaming HQ no matter what
eejit

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 16:49

On a separate note does anyone know why the Far Right nutters like Tommy Robinson have thrown their weight behind the Conservative Party and urged their followers to join?

We have to use this as leverage with moderate Tories - are you really happy with a party with Tommeh Robinson in its ranks? Are you happy that they kicked out people like Rory Stewart?. If yes, then I would know they weren't moderate, and I would have nothing much to do with them.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/12/2019 17:00

Well isnt this just lovely

Paul Waugh
@paulwaugh
Govt appear to have ditched Lord Dubs amendment to the EU Withdrawal Bill to continue to give refugee children sanctuary post-Brexit. safepassage.org.uk/news/family-reunion-route-for-child-refugees-from-europe-to-the-uk-to-remain-open-after-brexit

Britain First urges supporters to join Conservative Party ‘to make Boris Johnson’s leadership more secure’ | The Independent

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-far-right-extremists-join-conservatives-support-britain-first-a9252201.html

Peregrina · 19/12/2019 17:05

JustAnother - I think most of us feel sick when we see what is happening. What do we do? We have to fight back.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/12/2019 17:05

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Songsofexperience · 19/12/2019 17:13

and in the UK Corbyn has hamstrung his successor by making sure that Seamus Milne will be roaming HQ no matter what

Still pleasing Vlad then...

MarshaBradyo · 19/12/2019 17:18

I despair that on one hand it’s pie in the sky policies and the other Tommy Mr far right joins. I feel let down and annoyed. The centre ground could win and yet gngngng

I will remember that the vast amount of Labour and Cons supporters are not included at either far end. Left isn’t so bad but they’ll never get into power so it becomes redundant which is no help to anyone.

Jason118 · 19/12/2019 17:18

I think 'National Conservatives' is a better name

Alsohuman · 19/12/2019 17:37

and in the UK Corbyn has hamstrung his successor by making sure that Seamus Milne will be roaming HQ no matter what

How can he do that? Surely the new leader just fires him if they want to?

CrissmussMockers · 19/12/2019 17:40

Rather like in football, he signs a new contract for x years and you have to pay him in full to get shot of him.

What was it? For the many not the Few?

MaxNormal · 19/12/2019 17:47

That's a joke re. Milne. I'm fervently behind Starmer now, people desperately need a broad church/middle ground. I don't want this dreadful polarisation. I'd have been okay with the Tories winning if they'd had a genuine one-nation moderate leading them.

Jason118 · 19/12/2019 17:48

Or perhaps with a nod to the future and the recent merger, English Conservative Defence League has a truer ring

CrissmussMockers · 19/12/2019 17:52

Starmer - Nandy is the dream ticket.

I love Jess, but she's never held a departmental brief and I see more than a touch of the Clare Shorts there, also a poor minister.

Alsohuman · 19/12/2019 18:09

So how long has Milne been signed up for? Corbyn needs shooting for that, it’s seriously unethical.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2019 18:12

A story about Iceland by journalist Alda Sigmundsdottir

Last week's storm was a catalyst in a number of ways, not least in that it exposed so many weaknesses in this country's infrastructure. Hundreds of homes were without electricity for lengthy periods, and many without heat and telecommunications. In other words, people were totally cut off from the outside world, completely at the mercy of the elements for days on end, with no way of calling for help. One couple was rescued after several days from a remote farm where they had spent days living in a single room and using candles for warmth, with a small child and an infant.

Other farms had no power and were unable to milk their cows or even provide fresh water for their animals. In hospitals and health clinics up north medical staff had to administer medication with headlights on since there was no electricity.

Many people are now asking how, in a country like Iceland that is rich in natural resources and relatively wealthy, something like this can happen. How one severe storm can sweep us back into the dark ages, why our power infrastructure is so fragile that one bout of bad weather can completely knock it out of action.

Well, it turns out that the power infrastructure isn't that bad... or, specifically, the power infrastructure that Icelandic authorities have put all effort into constructing in the last couple of decades. Unfortunately that isn't the power system that serves ordinary people. It is the system that has been built specifically for heavy industry, read: large multinational corporations that settle here, buy our hydroelectric power at rock-bottom prices (paying far less than the normal consumer), and then take all the profits offshore, leaving almost nothing behind in the community.

Meanwhile, the power infrastructure for ordinary people is as we have now seen. Ostensibly there has been no money for improvements - or for funding Search and Rescue teams (they are currently made up of volunteers), or having adequate law enforcement, or a medical system that pays decent wages to all its hard-working staff and is capable of updating its equipment, or all the other things that a society needs to thrive.

It is ironic that the one town hardest hit by the disaster was Dalvík, up north, which is where disgraced fishing company Samherji (you'll remember posts from last month about Namibia) has the majority of its operations. While residents of the town huddled in their cold and dark homes, served up by their spectacularly inadequate infrastructure, billions of krónur that could have been used by the government to build that infrastructure sat in offshore accounts belonging to Samherji's owners. All courtesy of a corrupt political and economic system designed for them by their cronies in government. In lieu of that, the Icelandic coast guard had to send one of its vessels to the town to provide power for the town through one of its on-board generators.

You can't make this shit up. And we need a new constitution. STAT.

Coming to a place near you soon....

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Songsofexperience · 19/12/2019 18:20

Bloody hell RTB...

Jason118 · 19/12/2019 18:45

The government acted unlawfully, really?

Government's £1,000 fee to register children as British citizens ruled 'unlawful' www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50855089

Plus ca change

BlaueLagune · 19/12/2019 19:21

Not sure why you feel that wouldn't warrant production of an ID card, if the car is unlawfully parked, and you are returning as the driver

I was thinking about overstaying my welcome in a car park, which isn't illegal.

If on the other hand I was reasonably suspected of driving while texting or drunk, the police might have a point about asking for ID (though driving licence should be enough).

BigChocFrenzy · 19/12/2019 19:22

Alfred Dubs came to Britain on the Kindertransport:

one of the Jewish children sent out from occupied Europe - Czechoslovakia in his case - to save them from the Nazis

Understandably, he has always been protective towards refugees, especially children
and he is a prominant Humanist

What a leftwing snowflake, eh, part of that Metropolitan mc elite who keep looking after immigrants instead of proper Brits
and originally furrin himself, to boot.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/12/2019 19:28

This ID would probably function as a cheaper, simpler alternative to passport or driving licence, for people who don't have either

I agree with pp that to reduce the administrative overhead, the ID should NOT contain address

Countries like Germany already have a whole system of registration whenever you move house, but we don't want the time and expense to set up all that from scratch in the UK

Citizenship would be useful, e.g. as a final check on voting right, depending on the admin burden to include it

Minimum is full name, sex, date and place of birth

yolofish · 19/12/2019 20:05

If govt wants everyone to have 'official' ID then IMO it should be available free. A tenner is a lot of money to some, why should those without access to it be denied ID? I don't have a problem with ID cards per se, but if you are a citizen then it should be free - eg you get sent your NI number and card, this should be the same.

icannotremember · 19/12/2019 20:17

Starmer- Rayner will get my vote now I have rejoined the party.

I was against ID cards when Labour started to being them in and am still against them now, particularly in this era of a government with scary plans re the judiciary, a fetish for the hostile environment, a keenness to reduce the right to strike, a wish to make it harder for soldiers to be challenged, etc.

RedToothBrush · 19/12/2019 20:24

Clive Lewis officially standing for leadership of Labour.

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noblegiraffe · 19/12/2019 20:43

Clive ‘Get on your knees, bitch’ Lewis? Who was investigated for bottom groping?

Cherrypi · 19/12/2019 20:47

You don't get NI cards anymore. It's hard work to prove who you are without an expensive passport these days and it also costs more ie renewing your driving licence.