What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Many low income students don't live at home, or have a part time job. Lots work in the holidays.

But hey, you are just trying desperately to make your argument fit

Does Clav always run away?

Hoping house prices plummet so I can get on the housing ladder. Then hoping to be able to sell for a profit in a few years to move abroad. Probably somewhere like Spain or indeed anywhere in the EU!!

Don't pray for house prices to plummet.

A significant fall only increases the size of the deposit needed, gives lower multiples of salary, and higher interest rates. The only people who benefit are people who are cash rich and can snap up bargains immediately.

There was a tiny window when I could have bought our council house but I stupidly moved jobs and my new employer bodged the contract (or tried to move get away with changing my agreed salary) and took so long to sort it that by the time I did and got the ball rolling again with R2B that prices had started going up and then went crazy high by the time they got round to revaluing it again.
So I’m hoping prices will fall and I’ll meet the threashold for a mortgage again.

If house prices fall, lenders will change the criteria so that you’ll need a larger deposit and the amount you can borrow will be reduced. Do you have a sizeable deposit?

Hoping house prices plummet so I can get on the housing ladder. Then hoping to be able to sell for a profit in a few years to move abroad. Probably somewhere like Spain or indeed anywhere in the EU!!

Very funny! didn't realise it was April 1st.

I’m a remainer but trying to think positively so the way I see it, hopefully one of two things will happen:

1. Brexit goes great, everyone gets great jobs, the NHS thrives, our bills reduce and we all have the best time!
2. It completely fucks up, people realise they’ve been lied to and stop trusting the tories. Huge overall to stop lying politicians, possibly stemming from riots. Government has to change as its lost the people.

It’s going to be an interesting few years.

sirs

Oh i really hope it’s number 1

Number 1 is what everyone hopes for.

We do know however what will happen, just go read Britannia Unchained.

This time next year we will be days away from a very different country- so scary to think about what is happening.

We shall have to see - everyone said Boris Johnson couldn't arrange the last deal - the EU won't budge an inch they said.

We did indeed see. Theresa May had negotiated a better deal than the EU's original offer, which Johnson voted against. He then reopened the negotiations to accept their first offer.

A bit like being offered a high price for an item, your predecessor knocks it down to half price, but you are so keen to show how big your will is, that you accept the original high price.

but you are so keen to show how big your will willy is

Fixed it for you.

It is hilarious that the leave voters keep banging on about Boris deal. May's was better

It is hilarious that the leave voters keep banging on about Boris deal. May's was better.

That depends on your priorities:
"Johnson’s and May’s Brexits:The Key Differences"

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-17/the-differences-in-boris-johnson-s-and-theresa-may-s-brexit-deals

"Back-Slaps, High-Fives and Bro-Hugs: Boris Johnson's EU Victory Lap"

The reason the EU agreed to Boris’s deal was that it was better for the EU than the deal they offered May.

May's deal was better. Boris et al wouldn't have stood for border in the Irish sea under May.

Many low income students don't live at home, or have a part time job. Lots work in the holidays.But hey, you are just trying desperately to make your argument fit.

Hardly desperate - I was quoting from the UK Higher Education International Unit (Universities UK International);

"many students—especially less privileged ones and those who undertake part-time employment alongside their studies—do not see going abroad as a practical possibility."

And the Higher Education Funding Council for England;

"A 2010 HEFCE report found that the most mobile students in the UK were "disproportionately young, female, white and middle-class, and are academic high-achievers".

From the University of Birmingham:
When will I receive my grant?

"Grants are paid in two instalments into the bank account you have nominated on your Erasmus paperwork.The first instalment is normally paid in December time (this usually represents 70% of the total grant amount) and the second instalment (this represents the remaining 30% of the total grant amount) is paid after you have finished your placement."

That's not very helpful is it - 70% of your Erasmus grant arrives 2-3 months after you have started your placement overseas - and 30% is paid after you have returned to the UK.

May's deal was better

England, Wales (and Scotland) would have been stuck in the backstop - NI voted to remain in the EU in any case.

So using data from before Erasmus + of 2014?

Many doesn't mean all, or even most. Its a possibility for MOST students.

Also many may not see it as a possibility although it certainly is!

England and wales wouldn't have been stuck in the backstop it was temporary.

Really you need to stop desperately googling anything that suits your narrative.

Erasmus makes it more possible for poorer students to go abroad. Outside of EU and erasmus it really will be only the middle classes who get to go.

Something else I noticed from one of my links - 14% of UK Erasmus students going overseas in 2008/09 were actually non-UK students attending UK universities.That was 10 years ago - this figure could well have reached 20% plus by now - masters placements/staff placements are probably much higher than 20% non-UK citizens.

I don't have a problem with this but it's a bit misleading of FullFact/Britain Stronger in Europe to say; "14,600 British students went abroad under the Erasmus exchange programme in 2012/13" when at least 2,000 (14%) of those 'British students' are probably not British at all.

Its ok Clav, those people will still get to study abroad, as will the middle classes.

Oh and you have extrapolated data from 2008 to make your predictions. Not accurate.

So using data from before Erasmus + of 2014?

The University of Birmingham info is on their website.

We have already heard from one poster whose ds studied through Erasmus last year - she said her household income was less than £30,000 pa;

"It doesn't cost absolutely nothing. Ds got 280 a month from erasmus took the full loan and we still sent him money every month. Erasmus if free but to say a year abroad costs the family nothing is wrong."

Oh and you have extrapolated data from 2008 to make your predictions. Not accurate.

Your data is from your head!

Erm nothing as I’m not looking forward to it.