What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

@Clavinova - the EU and trade experts are saying it’s almost impossible to do trade deals in time and Boris has said he won’t extend. So unless the UK gives away everything, how will a no deal Brexit be avoided?

Then we need to include off budget receipts then too, like dividends from the EU bank.

National Audit Office report on, "Exiting the EU: The financial settlement"

"HM Treasury’s settlement estimate does not include the UK’s commitments to the European Development Fund (EDF), which it expects will cost £2.9 billion after the UK leaves the EU.The joint report states that the UK will honour its commitments to the current EDF, the EU’s main instrument for providing development aid, which runs until the end of 2020. HM Treasury did not include the EDF payments in its settlement estimate because the EDF is not established under the EU treaties and sits outside the EU budget (paragraph 2.24)."

the EU and trade experts are saying it’s almost impossible to do trade deals in time and Boris has said he won’t extend. So unless the UK gives away everything, how will a no deal Brexit be avoided?

We shall have to see - everyone said Boris Johnson couldn't arrange the last deal - the EU won't budge an inch they said.

Then we need to include off budget receipts then too, like dividends from the EU bank.

I think the bank owes us quite a lot.

You know the UK benefits from the EU development fund right?

As ever Clavinova's cut and pastes always trump first hand experience.
Another poster has already given her first hand experience - Erasmus doesn't cover all the costs of studying abroad.

We shall have to see - everyone said Boris Johnson couldn't arrange the last deal - the EU won't budge an inch they said.

What did the EU budge on?

Oh and no the bank doesn't owe us quite a lot. We chose to make those investments.

We also chose to fund the EU in the way we don but even if we take one years unusually large net contribution figure and leave off private sector and university spending to suit your purposes, there is no major brexit dividend and its already spent anyway.

Lots of copying and pasting shows you don't really understand the debate though

I’m not putting any money on Boris getting decent trade deals, the original deal he secured was worse than Theresa May’s and he’s already removed election items.

You know the UK benefits from the EU development fund right?

We benefit from the European Regional Development Fund - the European Development Fund appears to be a different fund - aid for non EU countries.

Clav , you'll note by looking at the graph you referenced that UKs net and gross contribution fell every year between 2015 and 18. So the faux anger about a one year increase (or using this to show how we are propping up the EU) is erroneous.

I like how you are using something set outside of EU treaties and budget to claim that its to do with the EU rather than an agreed amount the UK has provided.

Doesn't look that great to me -

"Forecasted net UK contributions to the European Union budget from 2016/2017 to 2022/2023"

www.statista.com/statistics/316964/net-contributions-to-eu-budget-by-united-kingdom-uk-to-eu-european-union/

It is an established fact that Erasmus funding doesn't necessarily cover all expenses incurred during mobility.

Students are aware of that before applying, as are their families, if universities are doing their jobs.

Erasmus does provide funding to encourage mobility.
The fact that it may not cover all costs, especially for students living at home who then have to pay rent abroad, is clearly not a convincing reason to suggest the UK will be better off after Brexit because it won't be part of the Erasmus scheme. That is certainly not the viewpoint of UK universities, who have been scrabbling to set up interim arrangements so students can still go on mobility after Brexit.

In order to carry on being a part of Erasmus+, the UK will have to become either a non-EU Programme Country or a Partner Country (with more limited access to certain types of mobility) and to pay the corresponding contributions.

BJ mentioned setting up a parallel scheme in one speech, but hasn't said more since. In the meantime, the UK has come out of this with a severely dented reputation.

So rather than use the ONS data which is accurate you have used an article published in May 2018?

As i said it is usual to account for the private sector, the EU do this for their accounts, and this is part of the EU budget, agreed by treaties unlike the one you are desperately trying to shoe horn in.

The fact that it may not cover all costs, especially for students living at home who then have to pay rent abroad, is clearly not a convincing reason to suggest the UK will be better off after Brexit because it won't be part of the Erasmus scheme.

I haven't suggested that at all - I was pointing out that participation is difficult for students from low income families.

As i said it is usual to account for the private sector, the EU do this for their accounts

Usual for the EU - not usual for the UK though.

Except its still possible. Low income families get full loans (which it is still possible to get erasmus year) .

Usual for the EU yes, because its accurate.You don't think its more accurate to count all of the inflows into the UK and all of the outflow?

The government only publishes the money it gets back because that's the only accounts it has

Low income families get full loans (which it is still possible to get erasmus year)

Many low income students live with their parents to save money - and they have a part-time job as well.

Whether it is 10 or 14 billion, it really isn't much compared to total Govt spending of around 2 trillion p.a. .... would pay for the NHS for about 2 or 3 weeks or around half what we give private landlords in HB

Also, gives us tariff free, frictionless access to europe and numerous other countries too, we will also need to spend considerable ongoing amounts of money building up Govt depts to do what the EU does on our behalf now.

Combined with a smaller economy, don't really see how this amount spread around the country is going to make too much difference.

You don't think its more accurate to count all of the inflows into the UK and all of the outflow?

They don't count all of the outflow - some of it is off-budget - the National Audit Office pointed out the sneaky little extra £2.9bn we owed the EU as part of the withdrawal agreement.

Going to watch tv - some of you think you are arguing for a second referendum - maybe in 10 years if Labour get their act together.

But it isn't sneaky, its a payment outside of EU budget that we agreed to. You are including it because its convenient to you, its not accurate.

Its accurate to include all payments that we give and receive as part of the EU budget. Not other extras (as I said I note you aren't including our dividend from the EU banks as a net reciept).