What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

I know, I love his / her posts, they make me laugh out loud.

Post Brexit, I am looking forward to British Shellfish available everywhere
but I'm unusual in that I like razor clams, whelks, cockles and winkles

Ain't just shelfiishbut 80 percent of our catch.

Brits better eat more of what we catch otherwise getting our waters back won't be any good to the fishing industry.

I like steamed mackerel and kippers as well
so I'm sorted

better be eating them twice or three times a week though.

Erasmus - this Parliamentary report was published in 2012 but still relevant I think:

"Regarding possible reasons for British students' continued reluctance to participate in mobility programmes, the NUS told us that their research had found that "28% of students decided not to study abroad because of uncertainty about language; 11% were unaware that opportunities were there at all and did not know that they could do it; and 37% cited financial implications"."

"The UK Higher Education International Unit stated that the most commonly cited barriers to mobility were financial. While Erasmus grants are available from the Commission...these are rarely sufficient to cover the costs of the placement, especially in the more expensive countries, which thus dissuades many less financially privileged students from viewing it as a feasible option."

"The UK Higher Education International Unit talked about the persistence of "cultural and motivational barriers" and the "reluctance of individuals to move out of their comfort zone"

"many students—especially less privileged ones and those who undertake part-time employment alongside their studies—do not see going abroad as practical possibility"

"A 2010 HEFCE report found that the most mobile students in the UK were "disproportionately young, female, white and middle-class, and are academic high-achievers".

publications.parliament.uk/pa/ld201012/ldselect/ldeucom/275/27507.htm

Erasmus - this Parliamentary report was published in 2012 but still relevant I think:
You think wrong

because the Erasmus Plus (or Erasmus +) scheme came in during 2014
and had much more comprehensive options and financing

Several posters quoting the UK's EU budget contributions for 2018 - our contributions rose by 20% in 2019:

"Britain’s contribution to the EU has shot up by £2.6 billion in the past 12 months, new Treasury figures show, as the UK’s growing economy was used to prop up Brussels’ budget."

"An “eye-popping” £15.5 billion was sent across the Channel in the year ending March 31, compared with £12.9 billion the year before - an increase of 20 per cent."

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/07/19/britains-contribution-eu-rises-20-per-cent-year-uks-booming/

because the Erasmus Plus (or Erasmus +) scheme came in during 2014 and had much more comprehensive options and financing

ssd stated; "my Ds got 280 a month from erasmus took the full loan and we still sent him money every month. Erasmus if free but to say a year abroad costs the family nothing is wrong."

Not much of an increase from the figures in my link;

"While Erasmus grants are available from the Commission—which were an average of €272 per month during 2009/10 but reduced to an average of €254 per month during 2010/11."

I think Erasmus + offers much shorter placements as well - 1 to 4 weeks etc...not the same as a year abroad though.

Nice bit of Bozo propaganda
lets see the EU receipt figures
as that looks like another C&P that is wrong

You mean the booming UK economy that grew slower than that of Germany in 2018 (The fiscal year the article is discussing) .

The government its self has said that the gross contribution for 2018 was 13.2 billion.

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7886

However the ONS think the net contribution was 11 billion, yet this still doesn't include private sector subsidies and grants or funding to universities.

The ONS therefore comes to a "more accurate net flow figure" of 8.6 billion (which is in line with the 5 year average).

www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/articles/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31

See we can all use the internet.

You think wrong

Random UK university (Leicester) - Erasmus funding 2017/2018:

"The Erasmus Grant is provided by the European Commission to students taking part in a higher education study exchange or work placement* under the Erasmus+ programme."

"The grant is intended only to assist with the extra costs incurred through studying/working abroad. It should not be used as a replacement to any other loans or grants that you normally receive. It also will not be paid before you go abroad. Please do not rely on these funds for time-critical payments, such as tuition or accommodation deposits."

"The Erasmus+ grant is generous but does not cover essential living costs such as rent and household bills."

If you live at home with your parents or you have a part-time job (in the UK - which you would have to give up) then moving to another country and paying rent/bills might be difficult:

www2.le.ac.uk/offices/international/overseas-exchange/outgoing/erasmus/funding

Won't students be able to claim much better and bigger grants to study in Europe ? Given that Brexit means everything is going to be better for everyone in the UK ?

However the ONS think the net contribution was 11 billion, yet this still doesn't include private sector subsidies and grants or funding to universities.
The ONS therefore comes to a "more accurate net flow figure" of 8.6 billion (which is in line with the 5 year average).

Your second link says "arguably" a more accurate figure - it's not usual to include private sector receipts in the net figure.

If you scroll down to the bar chart - the UK's contribution in 2018 is considerably higher than 2017.

Won't students be able to claim much better and bigger grants to study in Europe?

America and Australia are more popular destinations for UK students in any case - apparently.

That may well be the case Clavinova but the point stands that nobody will be worse off as a result of Brexit and so students wishing to take part in scientific study in Europe will be better supported. Pretty sure Boris said that in his number 10 speech , obviously don't hold him to his word, on anything

I'm sure we will continue paying into Erasmus or a similar scheme - I can't see us dropping out at all.

It is usual to include private sectir receipts it just challenges your point.

As the document I linked to states the amount can vary so using the 5 year average is more accurate.

But Brexit means better ? I thought that was the whole point of it ?

it's not usual to include private sector receipts in the net figure.

I meant it's not usual to deduct private sector receipts from the net figure.

If the UK leaves the EU on a no deal Brexit (quite likely now), they would need to negotiate with each EU member state for ongoing participation of UK Erasmus students in projects in those countries. Where would the funding come from?

It is usual, and accurate. Full Fact do it, they make special note of the fact that its not counted by the government.

Your figure in your initial post doesn't do any of these things.

Even without taking it off
, ad the ONS document says its more accurate to look at the five year average.

There is going to be no Brexit dividend.

As the document I linked to states the amount can vary so using the 5 year average is more accurate.

Not going forward - the estimates for future gross contributions were £20bn plus and the Commission have already started arguing about removing the rebate for the remaining EU states.

If the UK leaves the EU on a no deal Brexit (quite likely now)
I don't think it's likely - not the plan.

they make special note of the fact that its not counted by the government.

That doesn't sound usual to me then.

If you are going to include private sector receipts then you need to include the off budget contributions we make, such as contributions to the European Development Fund for example - I think we've paid nearly £4bn into that since 2014.

As ever Clavinova's cut and pastes always trump first hand experience. Unless the first hand experience is from a Leaver suffering untold misery at the hands of the EU and then cut and paste doesn't matter. It's all about the feelz.