What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

MIdgebabe it’s the problem with trying to simply a forty-year financial agreement onto a soundbite that fits on a bus.

Oh, what a surprise, no answer, more insults and a flounce. And, of course, a bit more I have said, you just missed it’. I’d expect no greater contribution from you Devereux1*.

The figures are now almost irrelevant - Boris lied and unfortunately people believed him. Perhaps if he has presented the correct information we wouldn’t now to leaving.

Through this whole thing though, that’s been my biggest question - why are we not all raging at being lied to? Why does winning trump winning based on lies? Why are leavers not marching in protest? Why are we not united in our fury at being told such blatant lies?

The leaver voters were conned but won’t admit it (yet)!

I don’t even think it’s that though - I think they genuinely don’t care. It’s a means to an end, winning is what’s best, regardless of consequence. It’s bizarre.

Does Devereux ever do a restrained post?

Always seems a bit....Aerated

Retirement. I’m mid-30s but let’s face it, it’s going to take 30 years before this over.

The leaver voters were conned but won’t admit it (yet)

Yet another remain supporter who can’t add up. How is it possible that someone who claims to be an accountant not resize that 52% is a larger number than 48% (the 2016 referendum). Also how can they not work out that 363 seats represents a majority for the Conservative government.

The recent election was all about Brexit. All the other stuff that was talked about was irrelevant.

Labour was a remain party.
LibDems was a remain party
SNP was a remain party

Conservatives were the only party to state they would honour the referendum result. Hence they stormed the election.

Labours result was the worst since 1935

Jo Swinson lost her seat

SNP support did not change. 55% of Scotland still want to remain in the UK.

I think Parker231 went to the same mathematics lessons as Diane Abbott.

Why did you vote to leave?

SNP was a remain party

Is a Remain party. Scotland voted Remain. Remind me how many new seats the Tories won in Scotland.

@mysterytripagain You missed the point. Saying people have been conned is a way of explaining why a narrow majority voted Leave in the referendum.

Also, the election result we just had is a reflection of FPTP. The Tories did not secure a majority of votes.

Also, I noticed you never replied to my last post - does that mean you accept my argument?

The Tories did not secure a majority of votes.

Just for context it was:

13,941,086 voted Tory

16,753,651 (of those who voted) voted against them.

Repetitive fixating on the majority of seats (which didn't reflect a majority of votes) must mean something.

I think Leave etc posters on here are seeking reassurance^? Ok.
'^ There there member of the 13.9 million. I'd like to reassure you that it will be ok ' except I can't.

Seeking reassurance is a mask for grave underlying anxieties and doubts. This is understandable.

It's a heavy responsibility to have voted for this path- choosing to quit a powerful trading bloc. It's a heavy responsibility to trust the Johnson cabal.

Little is still known about our we path but there will be increased dependency on the potentially mentally ill and impeached POTUS. So many are bound to have doubts. The are only two reassurances I can give are :

1. Trump may not be re-elected and there may be a less protectionist & more benevolent US administration in control of our trading relationship.
2. You are not alone- because 13.9 million others voted for this path too.

There's no wonder that
the more thinking Leave and Tory supporters of this unknown path constantly search for and try to interpret information in a way that affirms their prior beliefs. Showing confirmation or cognitive bias is understandable. This is because the reasoned evidential position supports the opposite path, and always has!

If I'd voted for this lot, I think I'd be anxiously seeking reassurance too.

Still don't think Brexit is a good idea, mainly because it isn't.

The one good thing about Brexit is that it has enabled me jump several social classes without having to lift a finger, move house or increase my wage, so have a lovely Christmas Eve from a member of the Metropolitan liberal Elite, am off to work now

I have to say, I tried reading this thread thinking I would learn, thinking that perhaps I was wrong and being narrow minded and not seeing things from other peoples point of view.
I know but I have idealistic moments.
Totally failed.

The leaver voters were conned but won’t admit it (yet)

I will and have admitted it ever since joining MN - I voted Leave and afterwards became aware that much of what I'd believed (lies put out by Johnson and Farage) wasn't true at all. Since then I have well and truly joined the Remainers (or maybe we should be renamed The Guilty Remnant, according to some Leavers). I am GLAD that I wised up and admitted I'd been deceived. My own fault for not digging more. I feel sorry for those Leavers who persist in believing the rubbish that was doled out. That's not to say that there are reasons to vote Leave, I can understand it, as I voted Leave myself! But really, I cannot in good faith continue to believe the bollocks that I've seen spouted, and after tuning in to 6 months' worth of Parliament, I am even more firmly convinced we are wrong to leave and will suffer the consequences. I hope I'm wrong but I doubt it.

@CrunchyCarrot - thank you. It takes a special person to admit their original ideas were wrong. I wasn’t entitled to vote but as a UK resident and EU citizen, I’m a 100% remainer and still hoping that there will be something positive by leaving.

£8.9b is also wrong. There's another £2.3b UK organisations receive in grant funding. So the true is 36% the £350 claimed.

fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

The recent election was all about Brexit. All the other stuff that was talked about was irrelevant

I don't agree, i lost count of the number of times remain and leave voters said to me that they could never vote for Corbyn, my FB feed full of anti Corbyn and Abbott jokes and insults... you re doing with your Abbott adding up comment! ignoring the fact that both she was returned with a majority most tories can only dream off!!!
The tories didn't the same crap thrown at them for their 51k nurses or 20k "extra" police numbers and neither did hammond when he he completely messed up the cost of HS2.... she gets this sort of abuse because she is black, a successful woman and white male dominated msm don't like it.

Labour with a different more centrist leadership would have done significantly better, especially as then they wouldn't have had such a silly manifesto.
Certainly not a win but they'd have held many more northern seats.

hit return before i proofed read that oops!

Hi Pumper thank you for the and appreciation of my input - I didn't read back through the thread beyond your post because it just made a nice change to not be so evisceratingly challenged just for posting an alternative viewpoint, and I didn't want to spoil that 'fluffy feeling'.

There is another reason - I've just posted it in The Arms, so you'll need to venture in there - you can just grab, run and paste it here for those that can't go into The Other Place for whatever reason.

Or stay and sign the Visitor's Book and even enjoy the excellent range of drinks and snacks on offer. Myself, I'm usually found beside the fire, staring at it.

Season's Greetings to All.

she gets this sort of abuse because she is black, a successful woman and white male dominated msm don't like it.

And Labour - a similar woman in the Tory camp might get a free pass for now. It would only be a temporary pass mind you.

I don’t know much about Diane Abbott but have just looked up her history - pretty impressive background and experiences.

Diane Abbott MP
In 1987 Diane Abbott made history by becoming the first black woman ever elected to the British Parliament. She has since built a distinguished career as a parliamentarian, broadcaster and commentator.

Born in London in 1953, she attended the Harrow County grammar school and went on to Newnham College Cambridge where she obtained a Masters degree in history.

Upon leaving Cambridge, Diane joined Government as a Home Office Civil Servant. She went on to work for the lobby group the National Council for Civil Liberties, before moving into journalism. She worked extensively as a freelancer and then as a reporter for the breakfast television company TV-AM and Thames Television, as well as working as a public relations consultant.

In 2008 Diane was awarded the Spectator / Threadneedle Speech of the Year Award and a Human Rights Award from Liberty.
Diane is founder of the London Schools and the Black Child initiative, which aims to raise educational achievement levels amongst Black children.

In Parliament
From the outset of her career, Diane has championed global justice, human rights, peace and security issues at home and abroad. She has been a vocal campaigner around race-relations, transparency and justice around policing, surveillance, Stop and Search, and detainment without trial.

She was elected on to the National Executive of the Labour Party and, for most of the 1990s, served on the Treasury Select Committee. As a member of this committee she helped author a series of official reports around issues including Britain’s entry into the Euro. She went on to serve on the Foreign Affairs Select Committee as Shadow Public Health Minister.

In 2015, Diane was re-elected to her Hackney North and Stoke Newington constituency with a landslide majority and, in September 2015, was appointed Shadow Secretary for International Development. Diane then went on to become Shadow Secretary for Health, in June 2016. She is now the first black female Shadow Home Secretary. Diane also Chairs the British-Caribbean All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) and the APPG for Sickle Cell and Thalassemia.

To make it easier - try researching onwards from the basics given in the link below, it's really quite important to millions of people that live, and work here in that little old place called UK.

Look at that tiny bit that states that there has been a negative impact on the wages of the UK low-paid.

www.ft.com/content/797f7b42-bb44-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5

Nearly every study also describes this impact as being "small".
Well that depends on what side of the negative impact you're living I'd think.