What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Also remember that leave vote was not just for economic reasons (had very little influence in my view), but more to do with national pride
aka racism

Why should UK, that has smashed Germany twice in world wars, be taking orders from Germany?
as above

Haven’t RTFT and quite spiteful but...

I’m really looking forward to working class racist people I know experiencing hardship and realising what the fuck they’ve done

MysteryTripAgain It may have escaped your notice but we currently remain in the EU. We are likely to come crashing out but Boris will still be singing Cummings one line songs. Let’s wait and see what happens to our economy post Brexit instead of claiming success before it’s happened, no?

*Also remember that leave vote was not just for economic reasons (had very little influence in my view), but more to do with national pride.

Why should UK, that has smashed Germany twice in world wars, be taking orders from Germany?*

Terrifying racism and jingoistic far-right comments that are akin to 1933 attitudes. It is this sort of talk that makes Brexit such a scary, slippery slope.

It certainly is. I’m very scared indeed.

Hi CherryPavlova, how many of the electorate believed what lies?

*@yellowallpaper Surely it's about time to stop all the hand wringing and hair tearing and work to get a good deal which allows trade at a reasonable cost and stop all the doom mongering. We will still trade at a favourable rate with the EU. It's in everyone's interest and now that all possibility of Remain is gone the EU will just do what they should have done from the beginning and look at theirs and their trading partners best interest and do deals. We've opted out if the eu expansion not the market.

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But we have opted out of the single market and the customs union! This is explicit in BoJo's 'deal'. Getting a trade agreement done within the year is going to mean absolute basics only. Almost certainly no alignment on services, which is the majority of what we export to the EU. Of course the EU will look at their own best interests and that is to protect the single market. A deal on goods helps them since the balance of trade in goods is very much in their favour (unlike services). They hold all the cards and we are soon going to find out how shit that is for this country.

I am looking forward to the penny finally dropping over the next decade when leavers realise they've been sold a pup.

Alsohuman sorry I think I attributed comment to you when it wasn’t.

Alsohuman sorry I think I attributed comment to you when it wasn’t

Least of my worries! I hadn’t even noticed.

HateIsNotGood Just wanted to say thanks for coming on to this thread. I disagree with you, and I think that a lot of what you’re hoping for is unlikely, but it was nice to finally read a coherent reason for leave and I mean that sincerely

But this:

Also remember that leave vote was not just for economic reasons (had very little influence in my view), but more to do with national pride.

Why should UK, that has smashed Germany twice in world wars, be taking orders from Germany?

Mystery this is why leave voters get called racists and xenophobics. Shameful.

Lies like these -
www.independent.co.uk/infact/brexit-second-referendum-false-claims-eu-referendum-campaign-lies-fake-news-a8113381.html#explainer-question-5

infacts.org/vote-leave-lying-facebook-ads-look-even-worse-2-years-on/

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/lbc-radio-caller-to-nigel-farage-programme-on-brexit-lies-1-6083312

Which lie do you believe is not a lie?

What percentage of the electorate believes them? True it’s hard to assess accurately. I think there was research in 2018 that showed about half the electorate still believed the 350 to the EU rubbish.

I suspect the Tories had lots of votes on a promise of 50k extra nurses and 40 new hospitals - both untrue but why should we expect integrity from our government, eh?

No wonder Boris is pleased with himself - he’s always been a strong no deal supporter and now he’s stitched us up with a disaster for this time next year and leavers didn’t see this coming?

@MysteryTripAgain I *have but one question. How does a wealthy person gain by giving away their wealth to poor persons?

How does 10 paying into the EU when they are 18 taking out from the EU benefit the 10 that pay in?

UK is the third largest donor to the EU, but has an ever increasing trade deficit with the EU currently £64 billion. However, at same time has a trade surplus of £44 billion with Non EU countries. So how does remain in EU make sense to UK?*

You are comparing individual wealthy people with countries. This is a terrible analogy.** The reason we benefit from paying into the EU (as I'm sure has been explained many times) is that the U.K. benefits enormously from the cross-border trade facilitated by the single market. The revenue and taxes on that trade far outweigh the net contributions to the EU budget. We are not 'giving our wealth to poor persons'. Stronger economies across Europe mean more people buying British goods and especially services.

We may have a trade deficit of £64bn but we export goods and services worth £291 billion, or 45% of ALL U.K. EXPORTS. (We also have a trade surplus on services, incidentally, which - oh dear, won't be covered by BoJo's excuse for a deal.) We simply cannot replace the 45% of UK-EU trade with other countries (too far/ too small), so the state of deficit/ surplus with them is pretty irrelevant. If the amount of goods we export to the EU drops, it will hurt our economy and jobs. If the price of goods we import from the EU rises, it will hurt people's spending power in the supermarkets and the high street. Simple as that.

Why should UK, that has smashed Germany twice in world wars, be taking orders from Germany?

Ignoring the jingoistic nationalism, the UK didn’t “smash” anything. The UK didn’t even exist for WW1 and I suspect the US and USSR might have something to say about their contribution in WW2.

Plus any comments about why should the UK pay in more than other EU countries that come from someone who happily admits they pay no UK tax but fully expects the UK to support them in old age on the basis of only covering NI contributions should be ignored rank hypocrisy.

It's been pretty obvious since he caved on his WA. To him and his backers, the WA is meaningless compared to the rich asset stripping opportunity a no deal presents. Still, they say we get the government we deserve.

What percentage of the electorate believes them? True it’s hard to assess accurately

Good, I'm glad you accept you can't possibly say "much of the electorate" then.

I think there was research in 2018 that showed about half the electorate still believed the 350 to the EU rubbish.
But there is recent evidence I believe which, in fact, proved the figure was actually more!

Can you provide that evidence please?

Why should UK, that has smashed Germany twice in world wars, be taking orders from Germany?

As the English football fans chant, "Two World Wars and One World Cup!"

And as the Germans reply, in their characteristically perfect English, "No world wars and six World Cups!"

Nearly half of the British public still believe the false claim from the Brexit referendum that the UK sends £350m a week to the EU, despite persistent attempts to debunk the myth.

A new study by King’s College London of attitudes to Brexit found that 42 per cent of people who had heard of the claim still believe it is true, while just 36 per cent thought it was false and 22 per cent were unsure.

Can you provide that evidence please?
Yes, I'll try to find it. It was a discovery made in the last 6 months if I remember correctly.

All the decades of Eurolies made their mark: Toasters, prawn cocktail crisps, vegelate, sausages only made of meat (the outrage!) eggs sold in tens, chickens without giblets (my nan circa 1972, it had started even then) and all the bone-headed metric martyrs.

Devereux1 Please can you also find the evidence that we’ll have 50k additional nurses and 40 hospitals?
Can you share how you know the pound won’t crash and we won’t have job losses post Brexit?

I guess I’m assuming the majority of the electorate believed the lies otherwise why would they have voted to leave? The only positives are either racist clap trap or lies. Unless you know better?

Also remember that leave vote was not just for economic reasons (had very little influence in my view), but more to do with national pride.

Interesting. It makes me feel nothing but shame. The entire Brexit debacle has been a national embarrassment.

What does a "New Hospital" mean to you?

Is it an existing hospital repainted with a jazzy new reception and coffee machine?