What are you most looking forward to POST-Brexit?

[Pumperthepumper]

I was a remain voter, and voted tactically against the Tories. I lost.

But onwards and upwards! We’re getting Brexit in January, like it or not, so I was just wondering what everyone was looking forward to the most?

I asked on a different pro-Brexit thread but nobody gave me an answer.

For me it’s the 350 million to the NHS with no trade deals with Trump. Or the continuing Peace in NI with no messing around with the GFA. Or the trade deals we’ve been promised without any reduction in standards.

I’m so ready to be convinced of how brilliant Brexit will be! Let me hear your positives, please

Well.. um, can I just mention the M20 lorry park after No Deal? And the importance of the Dover ports in our food chain and our JIT chain? The M20 is regularly brought to a standstill most days at the moment due to roadworks and the imposition of Operation Brock - brought in to 'minimise' the impact of No Deal which we haven't yet, but which is already causing chaos on Kent roads.

I know Kent may seem immaterial to those who are not local, but the M20 and the M2 are major routes for the cross channel lorries - and they are not working NOW.

Well if, and its a big IF Johnson makes good on his proposals and genuinely provides 40 new hospitals and 50,000 nurses, yes, it will be something to celebrate, but we will all believe it when we see it. So far though, his grasp of arithmetic seems on a par with Raab's grasp of Geography.

"Most Leavers I know, including myself, never wanted any sort of deal to start with."

Then... why did Liam Fox say it would be "the Easiest trade deal in history."?

Hannaan said "Nobody is talking about leaving the Single Market."

Al Johnson talked up the Canada model so heavily in April 2016.

Other quotes and aspirations (screenshots) from 2016.

@Devereux1 I think you are right to dismantle those arguments. they are the kind of thing Remainers like to keep repeating, mantra like without necessarily any deeper thought or seeking to understand. I think you are possibly quite unusual amongst leavers, however, in that you'd given it a lot of thought before the referendum even came up.

I see Brexit as improving my life and that of my country.

I'm an ardent, heartbroken remainer. I would love to know how you perceive Brexit will benefit you and everyone else. Not in the abstract though. I understand for a lot of people this is about feeling, or ideology rather than anything more tangible.

Devereux1

Well said

I'm looking forward to going on strike to fight against workers rights being eroded. My dad honestly believes that Boris Johnson means that workers rights will be improved on leaving the EU when we no longer have to follow their rules. I've made him promise to join me on the picket line if it is proven I am correct as I am furious at him for voting to take away my freedom of movement and leaving my workers rights in the hands of Boris Johnson now he's retired on a final salary pension at 57 and doesn't want to go abroad anyway! 😠

I'm always interested in people who are happy with no deal. What's the first thing we will need if we leave without a deal? I'll give you a clue, it's a place in Kent.

Emigrating

There were never going to be 50,000 new nurses - he lied!

“During the campaign, the Tories stated the party would add “50,000 more nurses” to the NHS workforce, but it quickly emerged the figure included 18,500 existing nurses who will be encouraged to stay in their posts.

The recruitment plan also included 14,000 new nursing places, 5,000 nursing apprenticeships and an attempt to recruit 12,500 nursing professionals from abroad”

But I didn't swallow anything from Johnson and Cummings. I knew years before the referendum I wanted to leave.

On what basis? Where did your data come from?

No deal will cause irreparable damage to many UK firms, workers and citizens. It implies a breakdown in trade that would include food and life-saving medication. How could that be positive?

I'm not being goady, I'm just perplexed.

The trouble with the 20000 police officers (7000 have already been earmarked for NCA so not actual feet on the ground 20000) and the 50000 nurses and the 20000 it is making the assumption that there will be that many individuals with both the will and ability to join those professions.

Note: we are struggling to recruit at current levels, and we don’t have the infrastructure in place to undertake that level of recruitment- due to the slash and burn of public services since the Tories got in.

Devereux
Has still not said what tangible things they are looking forward to after Brexit.

What specific thing will they be able to do on 1st January 2021
that they will be unable to do on 1st January 2020 ?

James O’Brian said something interesting the other day about soundbites - he thinks the most successful one of 2019 wasn’t ‘get Brexit done’ or ‘take back control’ or ‘make Britain great again’ but ‘all politicians lie’.

Again, it’s brilliant because its simple and it’s true - they do all ‘lie’ or exaggerate, I’ve no doubt that had labour one we would have seen some quick backtracking on timescales and cash.

So if you have to pick between two liars, pick the one that also makes you laugh.

Enter Boris Johnson’s apologetic, bumbling daftness and people just lap it up. So now nobody gives a shit that he’s a liar on a scale we’ve never seen before, because he paints busses and hides in fridges.

The power of the soundbite is something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently.

@Devereux1, for the umpteenth time please explain in specific and expansive detail why you wanted the UK to leave the EU with no replacement trade deal in place of the excellent one we have now which provides for tariff free and frictionless trade within the EU.

Do you actively want to put trade barriers between us and the EU in order to make our exports less competitive and our imports more expensive? If you do want this, WHY?

Please provide links to the research and factual information on which you based your decision. I would be very interested to read it in case I made the wrong decision and should have voted leave.

Thank you.

She can’t, she doesn’t know. Your question can’t be answered. There is no answer.

It’s frustrating, I know, but it’s true. She voted because she could, not for any deeper reason than that.

AuldAlliance Thank you for not being goady and rude and genuinely asking. There were numerous organisations questioning our membership of the EU, pre cursors to Vote Leave if you like, over several years. Some focused on the issues of decision and law making, others on business and the economy and so on. Several groups formed to re-evaluate our membership, not necessarily leave I may add, and called for a re-negotiation of our terms. I researched carefully, read papers, and attended debates.

I, during an early period of this time, was willing for re-negotiation of our terms. I could not see our existing membership as tenable; in fact I considered our membership becoming increasingly disastrous. At that point I did not hold the view we should leave.

When re-negotiation was clearly not going to work, and when Europe's leaders and representatives treated us increasingly appallingly, I realised the only option was now to Leave. This was before any referendum was even announced or I could ever have dreamt we could have this option.

I also think BJ counts on people thinking, 'The man can't brush his own hair, so how could he knowingly be leading the country down the pipes?'

And it works, if you also throw in some Latin from Eton to reassure people you're actually raaather clever (too clever to brush your hair) and then some picaninny/postbox comments to show that you're on a certain wavelength... Job done.

I realised the only option was now to Leave.
And how do you personally expect to feel the difference ?

dimsum123
@Devereux1 for the umpteenth time please explain in specific and expansive detail why you wanted the UK to leave the EU

For the umpteenth time, no, I do not have to jump through your hoops. I do not have to sit down and spend hours explaining things that have been explained to you for 3 years.

Let's look at why you demand this of Brexiteers. Why, when you are given all the reasons, when you know them, when you choose not to accept them, you still keep on and on and on. What do you hope to achieve? You're not going to change your mind, you are clearly not open to that. So what is the purpose? What is it in you that craves this demand of others?

Yes I think that too, her vote was based on emotion and beliefs not facts.

But let's give her a chance, she might surprise us.

And I am very interested in seeing her research. I might feel better about leaving if the facts show it will mean we are all better off in every way.

devereux
On decision and law-making, what issues posed a problem?

And re business and economics, why would leaving the EU be progress?

What was the appalling treatment meted out to the UK by the EU prior to the 2016 referendum?

Again, I'm not goading. I'm trying to see things from your perspective. But I need a bit more detail.

Pumperthepumper. Hush now, you're really just looking very silly.

The thing about tangibilitiess for those who voted to Leave, is, I suppose, that they are looking for something different to the previous status quo, so it may be difficult to answer specifically.

For those of us who believe in European unity, better together than separate, fighting for the same general direction etc blah blah - then it's hard to understand what was so bad about being a member of the EU. Better to piss out from inside the tent than the other way around as a South African colleague once told me.

That's me being charitable BTW.

@Devereux1, I do NOT know the reasons. If I did I wouldn't be asking.

Please just share your research, then you won't need to explain anything as the facts will speak for themselves.

Fuck all.

However, there is one minuscule positive.
As a result of Brexit, the government introduced the new "EU settlement scheme" for EU Citizens living in the UK. Under this new scheme it is actually EASIER for EU Citizens to get indefinite leave to remain (which gives them the same rights to benefits, housing, etc as British people) than it was under the old scheme.
Mwahahahaha. I bet all the xenophobic leave voters would love that (if they were informed enough to realise!)

NB this is very small consolation for the monumental fuck up that is Brexit.

There are some things I am hoping for, but I wouldn't say I'm looking forward to them as I'm doubtful that they'll happen, but here goes anyway:

• The Labour Party appointing a more popular leader (I neither loved nor hated Corbyn, but I hope that a new leader will be able to unify the party and be more popular with more voters)
• Backlash against Boris Twatface Johnson and the Tory party for the inevitable damage caused by Brexit (nb the backlash might never happen as the crafty cunts always manage to lie and scapegoat their way out of taking the blame for their failures)
• Electoral reform (this is not going to happen )
• Labour election victory (definitely not going to happen and certainly not any time soon)
• Rejoining the EU (ditto above)