So...5 more years of tory "rule"?

[Stinkyeddie]

It's looking like a tory win (however small a majority that may be...)

For those of use on the front line dealing with those who the tories and their supporters deem disposable, what plans/strategies are you putting in place for yourselves and your family?

I wanted to leave the UK after the EU ref - my country isn't what I thought it was - but dh said no and now we are too old and the dc are at critical stages of their education so...

Add to that frail elderly family members so that's that.

Aside from stockpiling food and meds (I would urge all those with chronic conditions to do so...) and stop all but basic spending, what can we do to mitigate the horrors that are about to unfold?

Also yes its not great that food banks are being used much more recently, however if you look at peoples life styles now its clear to see why. I watched a programme where someone was complaining that she needed a food bank and that her council house was disgusting... she was showing pictures of this house on... you guessed it an i phone.

Not everyone but a lot of people now living in debt and below the breadline are still walking around with smart phones and going on holidays they cant afford. This is because for what ever reason now people need to keep up with the jones's and they want everything now and are not prepared to be patient and work and save for things and are therefore getting into debt. and you cant blame that on the tories this is due to credit being far to readily available for anyone even without an income!!

And then it’s paradise for the many not the few.

And then it’s paradise for the many not the Jew.

Fixed it for you

amd and here comes the 'benefits scrounger wasting it all on luxuries' cliche again. It's sad. It's wrong. You know nothing about people's circumstances. That woman could have been given that iPhone as a hand me down, unlocked, on PAYG. I have given two of my old phones to people who are struggling on benefits. They aren't in debt, but there are times when they can't afford to eat. They don't drink, smoke, have a television or any form of internet access. They take no holidays and have no credit agreements of any kind. They've had major mental health issues.

Vote Tory by all means - but stop spreading these vile stereotypes. You don't have a clue.

otter, that's a whole lot of "evidence" - can I ask whether you fact checked all of that before you copied and pasted it from some Facebook post?

For the record, I'm not a fan of Corbyn. I've no idea how much of that is true. But then, neither do you.

Hense why i said not everyone.. I know of plenty of people that do live like that tho. I know there are genuine people who are in a bad situation and i do feel for them i really do.

I will also have you know that i dislike both party leaders but i am actually voting lib dem as our local MP has been great for my family when we needed them .

The point i am trying to make tho is that the world will not end if the tories win. People talking about leaving the county.. its just embarrassing. What are they going to do after 4 years if labour get back in after ... just pop back in and start again?

Presume you aren't old enough to remember Thatcher and conveniently forget that even she got booted out. Eventually.
You are obviously getting yourself worked up and Election Day probably isn't the day to tell you not to be.
However, if you want genuine suggestions, I would say look to finding ways to deal with your anxiety. Only you know what healthy approach works for you. But find one.

It’s frightening that people can still vote for the Tories. I partly blame the LD and Labour as they have put forward unelectable leaders. Not as unelectable as Mr Johnson I would have thought but....

Have faith it’s not over yet.

I’m not optimistic. Though I don’t see how anyone can vote Conservative with a clear conscience and keep that shower in power. Grim. Glad to be out of the UK though I worry for family and friends.

You are not in the UK. While you can have an opinion, you aren't here. Come back and fix it rather than wringing your hands until something more interesting takes your attention wherever you are.

@bellinisurge
British abroad can vote for up to 15years in a GE. Also many still pay tax in the UK and have families in the UK so what happens matters to them.

I have voting family abroad. I know this already.
Worrying about your family because of a democratically elected government in a country you don't live in.
I've lived and worked in a country that did not have a democratically elected government. It was rather different and my family had good reason to worry about me.
I'm old. I lived through Thatcher and all the dreadfulness that brought.

The NHS is already being privatised for those looking for evidence Billions of pounds of contracts have gone to companies like Virgin Care. Under the radar. And will continue.

www.theguardian.com/society/2019/jul/21/private-firms-nhs-budget-matt-hancock-promise

OP I'm fearful too esp as my don has a serious ling term health condition or which we are already receiving no help. My ex has Bipolar, ditto.

I guess I'm going to try and save some money, but it's v hard currently. Don't honestly what else I can do.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/nhs-privatisation-sale-boris-johnson-conservatives-general-election-a9241881.html%3famp

Good luck everyone x

Those who go on about Corbyn having links with the IRA...what is your view on the Northern Irish Assembly having members with known links to the IRA?

If NI can move on, the rest of the UK should!

If the Tories win, we'll have a no deal Brexit at the end of 2020, which we WILL need to stockpile for. Not because tuna will cost 20p more a tin, because it will be stuck in customs checks. And you'd be silly not to keep medication and also luxuries. It seems clear that a lot of suppliers will stop selling to the UK if it becomes too difficult so if you eg like a particularly moisturiser, I'd keep two or three in so you have time to find a replacement.

And with the no deal Brexit comes the assault on workers' rights and alignment with the US. All I hope is that Trump is impeached in time so he can't stand for another term. A non-Trumpian US may not be so bad to be aligned with, although I'd still rather be aligned with countries such as Germany and Denmark.

I lived through Thatcher and all the dreadfulness that brought

The ERG make Thatcher look positively be benign. Even my mother said that and she was a Labour party member until recently.

otter Are you friends with an Aaron on FB? He posted that exact post, word for word

Hmm, and a John and a Jason..

Presume you aren't old enough to remember Thatcher and conveniently forget that even she got booted out

Best ever PM. Defeated Argentina in the Falklands war in 1982. The sea harriers were massively outnumbered, but hammered the Argentinian pilots flying the inferior French Mirage planes.

She then went on to defeat the NUM and ultimately the trade unions. The enemy within as she called them.

That Conservatives have won the election has preserved democracy. In the 2016 referendum it was estimated that 406 constituencies voted to leave the EU. Boris’s promise to deliver Brexit is what won the election as leaving the EU is the will of the People since 2016.

Claims by remainers that leavers has changed their minds has been proven to be garbage. Likewise all the sob stories about NI and the GFA did not sway voters in the slightest.

Absolutely - a lot of English voters don't give a stuff about International Peace Treaties.

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Absolutely - a lot of English voters don't give a stuff about International Peace Treaties

Maybe because they had no say in the peace treaty?

If EU instructs Ireland to install a border between North and South that’s Ireland breaking the peace treaty is it not?

Never forget that no deal was sanctioned by all EU member states in 2009 when they signed Article 50 - Ireland included.

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In UK at moment. Timing was perfect as I was able to vote for Boris and read all about Labour’s worst election performance since 1935.

What made labour think that the the 5 million labour supporters who voted leave in 2016 would not abandon the Labour Party? JC really is senile and needs to be in a care home.

As was pointed out by John Rhys Jones on Question Time months ago the duty of MPs is to preserve democracy. Telling 17.4 million people that their vote to leave the EU was going to be ignored was always going to be a disaster for; Labour, LibDems at a general election.

Jo Swinson losing her seat was hilarious.

Wee Jimmy Krankie seems to be getting excited about a second referendum in Scotland, but does Scotland really want to lose the huge subsidy the Barnet formula produces?

If I was Boris I would allow Scotland to have a second referendum in the hope they vote to leave the UK. One less hanger on for the UK to carry.

Also I would like to see the outcome of Scotland’s application to rejoin the EU. Nicola Sturgeon during the BBC special episodes of QT was unable to answer the question about EU accepting such an application due to deficit issues and Euro reserves. Current numbers would result in Scotland’s application being rejected.

EU strung Scotland along previously in the hope it would divide the UK and thwart Brexit, but now that Boris has a big majority Brexit is now full steam ahead deal or no deal.

Jimmy Krankie's election slogan was 'keep Boris out of no 10 vote SNP!' No mention of vote for us = we have a mandate for indieref2. Anyway she only got 45% of the vote. Just as the 2014 referendum indieref was for leave.

BeardedMum Thu 12-Dec-19 06:02:45

"It’s frightening that people can still vote for the Tories. I partly blame the LD and Labour as they have put forward unelectable leaders. Not as unelectable as Mr Johnson I would have thought but...."

No where near the truth. I have seen a lot of commentary and a lot of nonsense the last few days. Including about Corbyn, Policies and Blair and always a good one Thatcher.

All the reaminers are still missing an extremely important point. Thatcher was a absolute disaster for the North decimated areas and thousands of families, which have never recovered.

In 1997 we got Blair, not as the commentators have said policy but Cash For Questions, it was just more of the same, at the end of the 1st term the main thing they could say was "we stopped Fox Hunting". Meanwhile giving substantial benefits to the middle class, defending 40% tax payers paying poverty wages, removing 10% tax rate, increasing immigration, subsidising wages with benefits, nothing on hosuing etc. Hence labour voters shrugged their shoulders and left in droves may of well voted Tory.
These people haven't benefitted greatly from Europe, crying about workers rights when we don't have any anyway makes no odds, being taxed to death via VAT paying fortunes for Petrol, Utilities Housing(if can get it), can't get health, decent job.

Corbyn wasn't liked by a stretch, but the reason so many seats last time was policies and light at the end of the tunnel for some. They turned into a remain party for all purposes so hence the Norths vote.

Telling millions of people they are going to be worse off if they leave, doesn't mean a jot if their lives are shite to start off with. What do some of you not understand.

Its nothing to do with lies, but their lives.

We are in for more of the same desperately trying to keep house prices where they are by all means possible.

If the economy is in such great shape why are interest rates where they are at, why is productivity down, why so many businesses failing (even with the massive subsidies).