So...5 more years of tory "rule"?

[Stinkyeddie]

It's looking like a tory win (however small a majority that may be...)

For those of use on the front line dealing with those who the tories and their supporters deem disposable, what plans/strategies are you putting in place for yourselves and your family?

I wanted to leave the UK after the EU ref - my country isn't what I thought it was - but dh said no and now we are too old and the dc are at critical stages of their education so...

Add to that frail elderly family members so that's that.

Aside from stockpiling food and meds (I would urge all those with chronic conditions to do so...) and stop all but basic spending, what can we do to mitigate the horrors that are about to unfold?

wonky
It's hard isn't it?
But...if you and your dh have the skills, I'd go :(
Dh and I have left it too late

davidallengreen.com/2019/12/why-those-who-care-for-the-constitution-should-oppose-the-conservatives-at-the-general-election/

If anyone reading is still undecided check out this website:

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And cue the terrorist Corbyn bot I will always answer there is a member of the IRA in the conservative party that all bits conveniently ignore

Yep....

I think we will have another election in the next 18 months.

Really?

@youcanonlydraftthefuture

*Scaremongering 

And no, I'm not a Tory worshiper. But to describe the events that follow if Conservative win is bonkers.

Same old drudgery, not a horror show though*

May not be a horror show for you. But for others it really actually is.

How the hell is a record number of food banks in one of the richest nations on earth not a horror show?

I agree, we'll need to look out for each other, especially the most vulnerable in society.
We had quite a lot of donations for the harvest assembly at my DC's school. I was thinking at the time that it would be a good idea to have Food Bank operated donation bins in schools (like they have in supermarkets) and perhaps a used uniform donation bin too.

A used uniform bin would be a great idea. I've struggled before and had to ask for any unclaimed lost property. I asked at my local council about school uniform grants and apparently they don't do them any more. They said go to the local Lyons club who just humiliated me by offering food tokens? Not much help to me at the time. Most council uniform grants have been axed. I did hear that Jeremy Corbyn's constituency is the only one still offering the full grant.

Omg I'm so sick of people saying 'how do you know the NHS will be privatised?'

Erm, because it's happening already?
Because the Tories are a bunch of capitalist pricks?

Do some research. Honestly it doesn't take long. Stop letting other people tell you and fo find out yourself!

And thank you so, so very much for fucking us all over. Hope your grandchildren and great grandchildren will be proud.

I can only hope this week means the death of the union.

The average worker in Denmark works less then 32 hours a week and earns over to 50k (£). Denmark equivalent also regularly has a surplus of money at the end of the year.

A 32 hour working week and a proper salary for mere McDonald's workers is perfectly possible.

Danish HMRC equivalent

Don’t be too downbeat. It’s so close in many constituencies. If everyone can vote tactically we can absolutely deny the Tories a majority... but we have to ditch tribalism. Vote for the candidate most likely to beat your local Tory. Pinch your nose if you have to.

I'm in the middle of applying for a visa so that my DH can move here from Australia. It seemed like the best way was for him to come here. But the entire time I'm wondering if I should go there instead (despite the heat, higher cost of living etc).

The word is the postal votes are a boost for the Conservatives.

The TV & Radio vox pops suggest there is a swapping of some working-class tribal Labour voters who are Brexity enough and don't like Corbyn to vote Tory, against which there are the middle-class small-c conservatives who are appalled by Johnson and may vote tactically.

Post-2015, there was a detailed piece of research from the Fabian Society about the mountain Labour would have to climb to regain power by recapturing the middle-ground. Momentum came along and threw that in the bin, assuring us all they had a cunning plan to energise the dissaffected and apathetic, who would rise up in their thousands the way revolutionaries persistently predict, to no avail.

We seem to have a few more young folks, especially students, on the register and voting Labour, but they are a declining demographic who can never replace the old dyed-in-the-wool unionised Labour voters dying off with time.

Johnson will be found out. Brexit will go on and on and on. The Conservatves will replace him and reinvent themselves like they had nothing to do with it, and a Labour Party that abandons the centre in favour of evangelical socialism will always fail, not that it will stop the evangelicals from calling for it with their constantly re-wiped goldfish memories.

Roll On Death.

Do they count the postal votes before election night then Mockers ?

Do they count the postal votes before election night then Mockers ?

Absolutely not. Don't think they're allowed to open them. But they will note where they're coming from, what sort of wards with what sort of voting records. It's all scuttlebutt.

The text-book election that shifted at the 'last minute' was 1970 when bad trade figures and a poor performance by Wilson on Panorama is credited with shifting enough votes for a Heath majority. All that happened in the week before the week of polling Thursday.

To those who say Corbyn "helped the peace process", that's your opinion.

And on the other hand...

Jeremy Corbyn Invited two IRA members to parliament two weeks after the Brighton bombing.
Attended Bloody Sunday commemoration with bomber Brendan McKenna.
Attended meeting with Provisional IRA member Raymond McCartney.
Hosted IRA linked Mitchell McLaughlin in parliament.
Spoke alongside IRA terrorist Martina Anderson.
Attended Sinn Fein dinner with IRA bomber Gerry Kelly.
Chaired Irish republican event with IRA bomber Brendan MacFarlane.
Attended Bobby Sands commemoration honouring IRA terrorists.
Stood in minute’s silence for IRA gunmen shot dead by the SAS.
Refused to condemn the IRA in Sky News interview.
Refused to condemn the IRA on Question Time.
Refused to condemn IRA violence in BBC radio interview.
Signed EDM after IRA Poppy massacre massacre blaming Britain for the deaths.
Arrested while protesting in support of Brighton bomber’s co-defendants.
Lobbied government to improve visiting conditions for IRA killers.
Attended Irish republican event calling for armed conflict against Britain.
Hired suspected IRA man Ronan Bennett as a parliamentary assistant.
Hired another aide closely linked to several convicted IRA terrorists.
Heavily involved with IRA sympathising newspaper London Labour Briefing.
Put up £20,000 bail money for IRA terror suspect Roisin McAliskey.
Didn’t support IRA ceasefire.
Said Hamas and Hezbollah are his “friends“.
Called for Hamas to be removed from terror banned list.
Called Hamas “serious and hard-working“.
Attended wreath-laying at grave of Munich massacre terrorist.
Attended conference with Hamas and PFLP.
Photographed smiling with Hezbollah flag.
Attended rally with Hezbollah and Al-Muhajiroun.
Repeatedly shared platforms with PFLP plane hijacker.
Hired aide who praised Hamas’ “spirit of resistance“.
Accepted £20,000 for state TV channel of terror-sponsoring Iranian regime.
Opposed banning Britons from travelling to Syria to fight for ISIS.
Defended rights of fighters returning from Syria.
Said ISIS supporters should not be prosecuted.
Compared fighters returning from Syria to Nelson Mandela.
Said the death of Osama Bin Laden was a “tragedy“.
Wouldn’t sanction drone strike to kill ISIS leader.
Voted to allow ISIS fighters to return from Syria.
Opposed shoot to kill.
Attended event organised by terrorist sympathising IHRC.
Signed letter defending Lockerbie bombing suspects.
Wrote letter in support of conman accused of fundraising for ISIS.
Spoke of “friendship” with Mo Kozbar, who called for destruction of Israel.
Attended event with Abdullah Djaballah, who called for holy war against UK.
Called drone strikes against terrorists “obscene”.
Boasted about “opposing anti-terror legislation”.
Said laws banning jihadis from returning to Britain are “strange”.
Accepted £5,000 donation from terror supporter Ted Honderich.
Accepted £2,800 trip to Gaza from banned Islamist organisation Interpal.
Called Ibrahim Hewitt, extremist and chair of Interpal, a “very good friend”.
Accepted two more trips from the pro-Hamas group PRC.
Speaker at conference hosted by pro-Hamas group MEMO.
Met Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh several times.
Hosted meeting with Mousa Abu Maria of banned group Islamic Jihad.
Patron of Palestine Solidarity Campaign – marches attended by Hezbollah.
Compared Israel to ISIS, Hamas, Hezbollah and al-Qaeda.
Said we should not make “value judgements” about Britons who fight for ISIS.
Received endorsement from Hamas.
Attended event with Islamic extremist Suliman Gani.
Chaired Stop the War, who praised “internationalism and solidarity” of ISIS.
Praised Raed Salah, who was jailed for inciting violence in Israel.
Signed letter defending jihadist advocacy group Cage.
Met Dyab Jahjah, who praised the killing of British soldiers.
Shared platform with representative of extremist cleric Muqtada al-Sadr.
Compared ISIS to US military in interview on Russia Today.
Opposed proscription of Hizb ut-Tahrir.
Attended conference which called on Iraqis to kill British soldiers.
Attended Al-Quds Day demonstration in support of destruction of Israel.
Supported Hamas and ISIS-linked Viva Palestina group.
Attended protest with Islamic extremist Moazzam Begg.
Made the “case for Iran” at event hosted by Khomeinist group.

Photographed smiling with Azzam Tamimi, who backed suicide bombings.
Photographed with Abdel Atwan, who sympathised with attacks on US troops.
Said Hamas should “have tea with the Queen”.
Attended ‘Meet the Resistance’ event with Hezbollah MP Hussein El Haj.
Attended event with Haifa Zangana, who praised Palestinian “mujahideen”.
Defended the infamous anti-Semitic Hamas supporter Stephen Sizer.
Attended event with pro-Hamas and Hezbollah group Naturei Karta.
Backed Holocaust denying anti-Zionist extremist Paul Eisen.
Photographed with Abdul Raoof Al Shayeb, later jailed for terror offences.
Mocked “anti-terror hysteria” while opposing powers for security services.
Named on speakers list for conference with Hamas sympathiser Ismail Patel.
Criticised drone strike that killed Jihadi John.
Said the 7/7 bombers had been denied “hope and opportunity”.
Said 9/11 was “manipulated” to make it look like bin Laden was responsible.
Failed to unequivocally condemn the 9/11 attacks.
Called Columbian terror group M-19 “comrades”.
Blamed beheading of Alan Henning on Britain.
Gave speech in support of Gaddafi regime.
Signed EDM spinning for Slobodan Milosevic.
Blamed Tunisia terror attack on “austerity”.
Voted against banning support for the IRA.
Voted against the Prevention of Terrorism Act three times during the Troubles.
Voted against emergency counter-terror laws after 9/11.
Voted against stricter punishments for being a member of a terror group.
Voted against criminalising the encouragement of terrorism.
Voted against banning al-Qaeda.
Voted against outlawing the glorification of terror.
Voted against control orders.
Voted against increased funding for the security services to combat terrorism.

So it’s a tricky one really 🤷‍♂

otter Are you friends with an Aaron on FB? He posted that exact post, word for word

I am in the process of applying for Irish citizenship, but it's a bit of a nightmare as my parent has no state ID! (no passport and doesn't drive, doesn't want either). I would feel much better if I knew I still had the right to live/work in the other EU countries.
I am lucky in that I am in a secure job in a sector that will always need staff. So personally I think I will be OK, better off than many.
My disabled family members may not be though.

Jesus Christ... get a grip, i don't personally like either of them but the tosh that is coming out of your mouths is laughable... Stock piling food??? for what?? in case Brexit increases the price of tuna by 20p a tin..

If the Tories win it will be a maximum of 4 years until the next election. In the grand scheme of things that is a minuscule amount of time and if everything does go tits up then im sure labour will come in and save us all..

Its actually like some people believe they are going to wake up and the country will just be in flames..

This election - no matter what the outcome - will solve nothing

I will lay money that there will be another one within a year
it will not "resolve Brexit" --because that is impossible

I have my suspicions about what will happen over the next week depending on the outcome
none of it is pretty

am considering moving abroad to a more open country