Brexit Arms Festive Special. Will the Grinch steal christmas? Could it be ‘Christmas with the Kranks?’ Or will we end up with a ‘Blue’ Christmas after all?...🤷🏻‍♀️🎄

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First off, comrade Hilda has been busy in the propaganda dept! Praise be to Hilda! The dear leader will appreciate and reward your efforts with a cushy job in the newly opened Ministry of Bullshit. ✊🥀

Specials board.

⭐️ Snacks.

•Salty Bar nuts
(we always have too many)

•Marrow crisps,
I know you all hate them, but we had a glut and needed to do something with them. 🤷🏻‍♀️😬

⭐️ Mains.

A festive choice of...

•’Properly Stuffed’ “Christmas voting” Turkey.

•Festive Glazed Gammons.

•Goose that laid the Gilded socialist egg.

•’Whigs’ in blankets.

•Sauce for the Goose and Sauce for the Gander

•Brussels’ sprouts.
Divisive, yet still popular in some quarters...

•Neeps and tatties.
Grown in Corbyn’s Communist plot and kindly gifted back to us by the SNP.

⭐️Festive Drinks.

•Rebecca’s long Baileys.
Seems nice enough, but can be vicious if you have too much.

•Corbyn’s Victory Gin.
State sanctioned by big brother.

•Bag in, artisan Earl Grey Cocktail.
A Boris election special.

•Red flag Rum.
for the singing socialists among us.

•Egg nog.
Gifted by Trump. Sticks in your throat a bit, but it’s polite to drink it and pretend to half enjoy it anyway.

•The #ClassicDmitri.
Shaken and stirred. A Russian Vodka based Cocktail, shrouded in mystery and intrigue. No one really knows how it came to exist, but all we know is, that it might have happened. Somewhere. And now it’s on the menu. Enjoy!

⭐️Desserts.

•Imported Panettone.
Get it fast, I’m reliably informed we will never ever have it again post Brexit.

•Traditional Christmas pudding.
have a good look for that old fashioned sixpence inside, we might need it when all the money runs out.

•Damson jam steamed pudding.
I’m told by the suppliers, that It’s like the infamous Mumsnet chicken, we can get eleventy billion servings from it and still have more for the freezer.

As always, welcome to all who pass through this place, but, as ever please observe the sign above the bar. If you can’t read it. It says...

DON’T BE A TWAT.

🎄 🌟 🎁 🍸 🥜 🦃 🎅

Confession Time....
....although everything's a massive mess causing horrible divisions, I've realised that it's actually had some positives for me personally. If this election wasn't such an important one wrt Leave or Remain, I wouldn't have discovered the truth about this Labour Party. It's because I felt betrayed by them that I began looking more closely and saw things that made me very uncomfortable.

I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I would have simply voted for them without thinking twice because I'm a "Labour voter"....that's my party - except it isn't anymore.

I think many Remainers don't have a clue who they're attempting to put in power......some of them have probably never even voted Labour in the past - when they were a real party.

Morning all.

Bacon sandwich and a brew please landlady while I review what you night owls were up to last night.

“I'm embarrassed to admit it, but I would have simply voted for them without thinking twice because I'm a "Labour voter"....that's my party - except it isn't anymore.”

Don’t be embarrassed! The madness has taken hold by the back door, it’s been very stealthy and insidious. Maybe one day, they will return as a healthy, moderate left government, that don’t want to take us all back to the halcyon days of the 70’s and beyond, to venezuelan style socialism.

It’s not what they say in the manifesto now that worries me (although that in itself is edging way past bonkers) it’s what they will do beyond that, the stuff that they are NOT telling us, that’s borne out by past leanings and associations by the main players, belief structures that they have been either seen to publicly hold, or at the least sympathised with in some way, its what the communist party used to say about infiltration of the labour party, and attempting to disguise the truth, so that the end justifies the means etc... they are SO red, that they glow like fire.

People think it’s hyperbolic, but it’s not, the evidence is there if you look for it. Most people won’t however, they ‘rightly’ just think, but what’s wrong with wanting to help the NHS, what’s wrong with free broadband etc... they won’t look deeper.

I’m not going to lie, the Tories are not exactly covering themselves in glory, but tbh, right now, boris could paint himself blue and run naked through knightsbridge, and I would STILL vote for him, to keep the ‘social’ charlatans out. They are dangerous. At best, they will ‘just’ significantly damage our economy, at worst, they will do that, then use the intended collapse (by John Mcdonnell’s own admissions) to follow through to the end game of their own private ideologies and marxist/communist leaning belief systems (under these power structures, ‘real’ democracy is often one of the first thing to go). Then we are truly fucked. I for one, my whole family, the majority of my friends, our business customers etc... are no longer willing to take that risk.

I’m a floating voter, I’ve voted all three main parties before, but unless there is a seismic shift, in the current shitshow masquerading as Labour, it will be a cold day in hell before they get near my vote again!

If Labour get in, this won’t all happen overnight, but I think in 2-3 years, we would begin to see what they really look like and where they really intend to take us.

Andrew Marr is on at 9 or 9.30, you should be able to catch it on Iplayer by now.

Alas the TV has been coopted so I missed basically the whole thing.

That's a magnificent breakfast you've laid on this morning, Epic! And agree. Although Boris wouldn't need to go to the bother of painting himself blue. This is a seismic moment in our history with only two paths ahead of us and we have to choose. I choose the UK, freedom and democracy.

I see The Times is reporting today that GCHQ is investigating the source of Jezza's "unredacted NHS-for-sale documents" coup. Good. You'd think the Russians would throw Agent Cob better quality red meat than that. Perhaps even they think he's a lost cause. The Times also reports that head spooks have invited Corbyn to sit down for a chat. I bet there's no coffee involved.

In the meantime, I would just like to repeat my prediction of 25 November in this very pub:

"With a decent majority - and I'm making an early prediction of 368 seats, which is a working majority +47 - there will be five full years. Plenty of time to steady HMS Brexit and see where the land lies."

🤞

Just to add to my long winded post, even if Jezza came out tomorrow and scrapped the fence sitting brexit policy and agreed to take us out with a similar or even better deal than the one we have, I still wouldn’t vote for him. I’d rather stay in the EU and take my chances there instead.

Morning all

if the Torys get a majority and they do go ahead and curtail Judicial Review, abolish our independent Judiciary, and reform HoL as per their manifesto, and implement more Henry VIII powers via the WAB, our checks and balances system will be irreparably damaged.

Is this in reference to the 'page 48' bollocks that people have been crying about all over Twitter etc??

Here's the parts of p. 48 that people have said outlines the plans for what you describe above.

• Curtail Judicial Review

• We will ensure that judicial review is available to protect the rights of the individuals against an overbearing state, while ensuring that it is not abused to conduct politics by another means or to create needless delays.

• Abolish our independent Judiciary

It’s not what they say in the manifesto now that worries me (although that in itself is edging way past bonkers) it’s what they will do beyond that, the stuff that they are NOT telling us

Exactly this.....and by the end of 5 years in power will it be easy to simply vote them out - I'm not sure it will?

In other words, Dusty, restore the proper checks and balances that existed before Bercow, Benn, Grieve, Letwin, Starmer and Hale trampled them into the mud. And why didn't the PP reference the fact that wholesale abolition of the HoL and replacing it with an elected Senate is in the Labour manifesto?

The greatest threat to democracy is from those who claim they are acting only to defend and preserve it, when in fact they are straining every sinew to hollow it out from the inside and render it meaningless.

Yes, Bercow, Grieve, Gauke, Benn, Letwin, Starmer, Swinson and all your fellow travellers like Major and Blair - I'm looking at you.

“Yet more Dramz! and Hyperbole! created over fuck all 🤷🏻‍♀️“

I agree, I read page 48, couldn’t see the smoking gun, or anything that bothered me tbh. Maybe it’s just me?

No, Epic, you can't see what wasn't there in the first place. Unless you are wearing special goggles.

“The greatest threat to democracy is from those who claim they are acting only to defend and preserve it, when in fact they are straining every sinew to hollow it out from the inside and render it meaningless.”

Beautifully articulated! 🙌

We were debating this last night, after 5 years in power, would we be able to have another GE and vote them out if Jezza and pals get in.

At the moment, yes because the HoL would prevent any legislation that curtailed our right to vote but if it were to be reformed in the meantime, I would put money on them losing the ability to do that.

So hungry....need all the items on the breakfast bar.

As I walked in the gym, some poor bloke was walking out literally doing the John Wayne walk.

Then I chatted at reception and a few people were saying they’re shocked at how vitriolic political exchange has become. I said “in real life or on social media” and the answer was social media. I found that interesting.

In other words, Dusty, restore the proper checks and balances that existed before Bercow, Benn, Grieve, Letwin, Starmer and Hale trampled them into the mud.

Yep!

In the olden days, I'd have been as confused as the next person regarding the great leaps of logic required to interpret PAGE 48 😱 as being of such sinister intent.
MN has def taught me a lot about how people can create great big steaming piles of something out of nothing...

“And why didn't the PP reference the fact that wholesale abolition of the HoL and replacing it with an elected Senate is in the Labour manifesto?”

And so much this, it’s like that DM video a while back, where labour voters were and outraged at what they thought Boris had said, only to find out it had actually been Jezza/labour.

Classic con game of 3 cups.

After the Supreme Court ruling on the prorogation many Tory MPs including the AG stated that if Judges ‘get involved’ in Politics then we need to move to a US style Judiciary, ie, no longer independent.

What do you think that paragraph from p.48 means Dusty?

Saw Lord Sumption being interviewed the other day. Even he is uncomfortable with the direction of travel in politicians attempting to use the courts to subvert the democratic process.

The Supreme Court hadn't been invented when he or any of his fellow justices did their legal training. There was very little reflection about the Constitutional implications of its conjuring.

“At the moment, yes because the HoL would prevent any legislation that curtailed our right to vote but if it were to be reformed in the meantime, I would put money on them losing the ability to do that.”

Curious then, that its labour as shown above, that actually plan to abolish it. 🤔😉

The supreme court definitely needs reforming, it shouldn’t be used as a tool to attempt to subvert democracy.

I might add, by rich individuals with deep pockets.

*After the Supreme Court ruling on the prorogation many Tory MPs including the AG stated that if Judges ‘get involved’ in Politics then we need to move to a US style Judiciary, ie, no longer independent.
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*What do you think that paragraph from p.48 means Dusty?

I think it means that they will ensure proper separation of courts & politics 🤷🏻‍♀️

As it should be

There is no place for the courts to interfere with politics & they massively overstepped this year imo

Nowhere in the manifesto does it say 'move to a US style judiciary'

Nowhere in the manifesto does it say 'remove the independence of the judiciary'

Nowhere in the manifesto does it say 'abolish our independent judiciary'

What do you mean by that Epic, reforming how?

“What do you mean by that Epic, reforming how?”

Well, I’m not a constitutional lawyer or lawmaker, but I would guess in a way, that prevents it being abused at the expense of the electorate, by rich folk with a personal agenda. I would be very happy with that.

After the Supreme Court ruling on the prorogation many Tory MPs including the AG stated that if Judges ‘get involved’ in Politics then we need to move to a US style Judiciary, ie, no longer independent.

Missing the point entirely.

Our unwritten Constitution rests on the fact that the judiciary are both unelected and impartial. As soon as judges change the rules by getting involved in politics (as Lord Sumption pointed out, the Supreme Court was making new law by doing precisely that), then the elected House would be perfectly entitled to respond by changing the rules and making the appointment of judges a political decision, as per the US.

I do not want that. I want the convention that previously served this country so well for such a long time: an independent judiciary that does not involve itself in political decisions. That is what the manifesto says.

What do you want?