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Westminstenders: Frozen

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RedToothBrush · 29/11/2019 15:45

Boris Johnson was empty chaired by C4 with a block of ice.

The Conservatives went mental and have threatened to look at C4 broadcast remit.

This is illiberal and anti democratic.

Journalists are supposed to hold power to account on behalf of the public. If MPs don't turn up then they can't be held to account.

They have a duty to show. It's not good enough to avoid scrutiny because it might make you look bad. That's the whole point.

The contempt with which Johnson holds the press and public is reprehensible and you should be concerned whatever your political alligence. It allows corruption to fester without consequence.

And to then threaten C4 because they do their job in line with their responsibility as a broadcaster is alarming.

This is how authoritarian dictators work.

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Stinkyeddie · 03/12/2019 16:31

Started to see to few labour boards and posters going up locally.
Haven't sesn any for any other party yet...

mybrainhurtsalot · 03/12/2019 16:31

Yep, YouGov MRP data for NE Somerset has Labour & Lib Dem with v similar percentages: Labour on 25%, Lib Dem on 23% and Green on 4%. Con will get in with an estimated 47%. So frustrating that this is happening.

thecatfromjapan · 03/12/2019 16:31

I agree with AlsoHuman.

I'm so tired of people thinking all women are middle class and/or that being used as a stick to beat us with.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/12/2019 16:46

What I'm noticing is how many Tory voters on this thread, The Arms, that thread about conservative voters have met Corbyn and then deemed him to be dangerous, I mean how else would they know he was so dangerous and an anti-semite and a terrorist sympaathiser, I mean the MSM cant have influenced that many people, and if it has then questions do need to be asked about the influence of a controlled media on democracy

tobee · 03/12/2019 16:48

I'll get him to ring the council thanks cat

QueenMabby · 03/12/2019 16:50

Thanks mybrain. In the graph what do the number on the x-axis mean? I can’t see a key. Voter numbers? Percent? Thx.

tobee · 03/12/2019 16:52

As we know Corbyn is so bad, and according to everyone that is voting Tory, that's why they are voting Tory, then anything other than a ginormous Tory majority would surely be a failure. But I expect if Johnson doesn't get a ginormous majority it will be Labour's/Corbyn's fault. 🤔

Tory supporters- you have nothing to fear!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/12/2019 16:59

Richard Barfield
@rjbarfield1
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10h
Had a chat w some Tory Brexit supporters yesterday.
4 things struck me:

1 Support relies on blind faith/ignorance+denying reality
2 Deaf to counter arguments
3 Authoritarian govt is ok to enable Brexit
4 No understanding of what's involved in trade negs & how long they'll take

DGRossetti · 03/12/2019 17:00

Meanwhile, in Midsomer Norton, Somerset ....

Westminstenders: Frozen
Peregrina · 03/12/2019 17:01

With the caveat of course that there isn't another Libdem/Conservative coalition.

I can't see that happening with the LibDem policy being Remain, and the current Tory policy being Leave, preferably with No Deal.

ListeningQuietly · 03/12/2019 17:01

QueenMabby
Look up Southampton Itchen
It currently has a Tory Majority of 31
The bars show a Tory Vote share between 42% and 56% (hover over the line and it pops up)
and a Labour vote share of 32% to 46%
BUT
I do not trust those numbers at all because they are based on general patterns and do not take into account the personalities

You need to look at your constituency but then caveat the Yougov numbers with a bunch of cynicism

ESPECIALLY as "don't know" has consistently been above 15%

Alsohuman · 03/12/2019 17:02

This cheered me up. Let’s hope it’s right and they all go out and vote.

Hasan Patel 🌹
@CorbynistaTeen
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Voting intention of 18-24 year olds:

LAB: 55% (+6)
CON: 22% (-1)
LD: 12% (-2)
GRN: 5% (-3)
SNP: 4% (+1)
BXP: 1% (-1)

25 Nov-1 Dec

JustAnotherPoster00 · 03/12/2019 17:08

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/03/election-coverage-bbc-tories

In its election coverage, the BBC has let down the people who believe in it
Peter Oborne

tobee · 03/12/2019 17:15

I know this isn't a new thought, but it really is a shit show isn't it?

RedToothBrush · 03/12/2019 17:21

Tobee... I started this new thread before I saw your post...

I agree wholeheartedly.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3759471-Westminstenders-10-day-count-down?watched=1
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Ellie56 · 03/12/2019 17:21

Yes tobee and the biggest turd is Johnson.

tobee · 03/12/2019 17:23

Is there a lying down and crying emoji?

Ellie56 · 03/12/2019 17:27

No. There isn't a head banging against the wall emoji either.

Greykitten · 03/12/2019 17:36

Cat that's true, but it's about priorities isn't it? LAB is prioritising student fees and Waspi women not because those are the best ways to redistribute money but because they are vote winners.

I don't think they are bad causes; but as Rory Stewart remarked not so long ago, no party, including LAB, makes policy for the bottom 10% because those people don't vote. I disagree with Stewart on most things (because I am a natural LAB voter) but he was 100% right about that.

MockersFactCheckMN · 03/12/2019 17:36

Great Report on R4 WATO today (57 mins) about the elusive Mogg, seldom if ever seen in NE Somerset, where many have never heard of him.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000bx1t

Greykitten · 03/12/2019 17:42

Grease Smugg is my sister's MP. She lives in the village where he was pictured posing in front of the stone circle. I must ask her what locals thing of him.

ArseDarkly · 03/12/2019 17:49

Also a very good edition of More or Less Election Special this morning - I didn't know they were doing this so I'm going to look on the iplayer to see if I've missed others.

I was amazed to hear a journalist from the Financial Times on there saying (some) very positive things about the Labour manifesto!

Also very funny (even though it isn't really funny I know) about the Tory lies on 'new' hospitals

thecatfromjapan · 03/12/2019 18:48

I disagree, GreyKitten. A significant proportion of the poorest 10% are single mothers and their children. Just think, for a minute, about their needs & you can see Labour's manifesto does address many of those.

Then think about what drives women and children into the position of being in the poorest 10% - it's often a narrative of background deprivation, beak-up with other parent, caring responsibilities impacting in employment, poor housing, then health and mental health issues.
Surprisingly common is the narrative of high-needs child, NHS and social care cut-backs, impossibility of combining that with employment, all adding up to further health and MH issues, relationship breakdowns, being absolutely hammered by UC 5 week wait, bedroom tax, limitations of 2 children rule on benefits, poor housing, caring now devolved to mother.

You can see that much of the Labour manifesto addresses all that as well as meeting needs of other sectors of siciety.

I think it also shows how many of us need the social care net to be cast further and be less thin.

So many of us need cheaper and more secure housing. So many of us suffer from poor MH provision and an under-funded NHS. So many of us are stretched so thin, we cannot carry the extra weight of a purely individual approach to care.

So many of us would be helped by a less ubiquitous system of redistribution of profits. This squeezing from us of every drop of our labour, with so very little in return for most of us, just cannot go on. It has to change.

So it's no surprise that the Labour manifesto has much in it that appeals to the middle class - who really are a precariat. For a lot of us, things really are just a few steps away from being pretty damn desperate.

All it takes, often, is illness or a relationship break-up and we're swiftly amongst the poorest 10%.

And, in London, I think it's closer than that.

So I think Rory Stewart is a bit wrong with that.

I would also suggest that it is precisely because Labour does openly talk about policies aimed at the poorest that it loses some votes amongst the not-so-poor, who see it as giving free money to the feckless benefit scroungesrs.

Which is a shame.

BigChocFrenzy · 03/12/2019 18:57

Greykitten You don't understand the barriers to higher education for kids who grow up very poor
I've posted before that without paid fees and full maintenance grant - I would never have gone to uni and escaped grinding poverty
I would absolutely never have taken out a loan to do so, because it would be one mountain too many to climb.

This is one policy Labour have right, unless the aim is to keep the poor in menial jobs

placemats · 03/12/2019 18:58

The vast majority of Waspi women aren’t middle class and affluent. Remember less than 10% are graduates. Many have worked in low paid jobs since they were 16, had their children when there was no maternity leave, gave up work until their kids started school because there was no child care and worked in female dominated jobs where equal pay was a joke.

This! Thanks Also