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DustyDiamond · 07/11/2019 09:39

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SingingLily · 15/11/2019 20:35

That's cheery news, Belle.

It also seems that BXP is not standing candidates in a further 22 seats. Most are in Scotland (and that warrants a whole new train of thought) but there are some in England too, including a few heavily Leave seats that Labour is holding by the skin of its teeth.

Solidarity, comrades!
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XingMing · 15/11/2019 20:52

This is, I think, an honest thread, open to opinions from across the terrain. If there are lurkers here, and there will be, could you offer a view? There's a drink in it.....

Doubletrouble99 · 15/11/2019 21:40

Evening all, G and T for me. A question to twofingers at 20.03. Why do you think a Tory government will 'ensure more years of austerity, inequality and damage the NHS'? I did scrutinise the video and I really can't see any 'blatant lies'. They've done some guesstimates of Labour's spending promises and come up with some figures so what.
One of the main things that really grates for me with Corbyn et al is their constant refrain about the Tories only doing things that will advantage the 'elite' , and or their rich friends, what a load of rubbish. I've noticed this constant use of 'elites' in JC's speeches. This stirs up real resentment and anti Tory feeling, some of the stuff I see on face book etc are really vile and I put a lot of this down to this inbuilt prejudice JC and JM have. It's gives a very false impression that if you are well off all you think about is making more money for yourself and your friends. What utter rubbish. Most people I know who are well off have graduated in the hierarch of needs well above the basic one for money making. Anyone who wanted to have money are their main driving force certainly wouldn't be in Parliament.

VeryGenuinequestions · 15/11/2019 21:51

Labour front bench is elite though isn't it and dear leader grew up in a Manor house.

Apparently according to an a typical champagne socialist.... Not that big and not a Manor house 😁😁😁.

ContinuityError · 15/11/2019 22:30

Labour front bench is elite though isn't it and dear leader grew up in a Manor house.

How many Labour front benchers went to a public school?

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 23:00

How many Labour front benchers went to a public school?

Good question.

Google is your friend.

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Bearbehind · 15/11/2019 23:07

I’m here for a sanity check and 🥂

Who honestly believes everyone deserves free broadband?

I sure as shit don’t

SingingLily · 15/11/2019 23:15

In that case, finish the bottle 🍾, Bearbehind, and worry not. It's not your sanity that's in doubt with that particular policy. Smile

John Curtice, the psephological wizard, said last night that Labour's chances of a majority government were "as close to zero as it gets".

Shortly after, the Labour Party announced their huge retail offer of "free" broadband for everyone. Including billionaires, apparently.

I don't think the timing was a coincidence.

ArseDarkly · 15/11/2019 23:22

John Curtice, the psephological wizard, said last night that Labour's chances of a majority government were "as close to zero as it gets"

Shortly after, the Labour Party announced their huge retail offer of "free" broadband for everyone. Including billionaires, apparently.

Bastards! Shock

Although, all the billionaires are going to leave the country if Labour get in so I wouldn't worry about that last bit.

Miljea · 16/11/2019 01:14

XingMing there were 'other voices' in here, but they all got deleted.

Dissent was goady.

A couple of brave souls persist. Most don't bother.

I'd say HTH, but I'd get reported for goadyness.

MeganBacon · 16/11/2019 07:45

Morning fellow travellers.
I'm probably the first one in so I'll get the coffee machine on before I rush out to the gym. Brew
Also needing to come here for some sanity. You're doing a fine job over there Bear, keep the faith. Reminding myself that you have to reserve part of your mind just for enjoying the show at times like this.

MeganBacon · 16/11/2019 07:58

What makes me laugh when JC talks about elite is that he went to a prep school (grammar after) and had well to do professional parents, but with his two E's at A Level clearly failed to capitalise on it. So what he hates isn't elite, it's just elite people who are cleverer than him.

Limer · 16/11/2019 08:18

Just to answer twofingers from last night (I was out - the pub I visited has got its Christmas decorations up!!!!! Bit early I think, but maybe the landlady here disagrees?)

Yes, I really did think that parliament would honour the Referendum result. Especially as it was clearly going to be a cross-party issue, in that there were Leavers/Remainers on all sides. I thought we might see some proper grown-up politics for a change, with MPs from all parties co-operating to do what their constituents had voted for. Crazy, I know!

Limer · 16/11/2019 08:27

I'm wondering if Labour, knowing they can't win, are using this election as an experiment - just how many outlandish policies can they announce before their core voters start to complain?

Free broadband for all is utter madness. Yet policies of, e.g. subsidised rates for those on low incomes, government grants to bring high-speed networks to remote communities, etc., would have most people nodding in agreement. Why are Labour being so extreme?

I was talking to a young graduate last night, he's either voting Labour or Green, but is currently favouring Green thanks to Labour's ridiculous ideas.

twofingerstoEverything · 16/11/2019 08:31

Limer Yes, I really did think that parliament would honour the Referendum result. Especially as it was clearly going to be a cross-party issue, in that there were Leavers/Remainers on all sides. I thought we might see some proper grown-up politics for a change, with MPs from all parties co-operating to do what their constituents had voted for. Crazy, I know!

So, now you're talking about 'parliament'. Your earlier post just referred to Remainers/Leavers, not MPs... I've pasted it below. To clarify, when you're talking about "remainers' visceral hatred, blood pressure etc.," you are limiting this to parliamentarians?

There are some Remainers whose visceral hatred of Leavers is bordering on an unhealthy obsession. All that pent-up anger won't be doing their blood pressure any good. After the referendum, I hoped for some acknowledgement of the result, maybe a bit of regret, but then a determination to unite and work together for the good of the country. How hopelessly naive of me!

Now that you seem to be saying that your earlier comment was about MPs only, whom you expected to do what their constituents voted for, this is maybe a good place to remind you that the MPs' code of conduct expects them to act in the best interests of the nation, among other things. This does not translate as blindly following the 'will of the people'.

MeganBacon · 16/11/2019 08:32

It's just a fun game for Labour because there is zero chance they will ever have to deliver.

twofingerstoEverything · 16/11/2019 08:34

I was talking to a young graduate last night, he's either voting Labour or Green, but is currently favouring Green thanks to Labour's ridiculous ideas.

Well, depending on where he's voting, either could work in terms of his contribution to reducing the Tory majority.

VeryGenuinequestions · 16/11/2019 08:35

Continuety, how many benefited from the grammar school? Then oxbridge?

The type of schooling they want to rob from every other generation?

VeryGenuinequestions · 16/11/2019 08:38

Limer maybe they are desperately trying to target the youngest voters?

But again they mis judge them. Young people are not silly. Some may vote for broad band... But some (already heard them) have said it won't work.

twofingerstoEverything · 16/11/2019 08:42

A question to twofingers at 20.03. Why do you think a Tory government will 'ensure more years of austerity, inequality and damage the NHS'?
Oh, I dunno - just basing it on experience Hmm.
Why do you think they will suddenty behave differently when food bank use is breaking all records, schools are chronically underfunded, hospitals are on their knees etc. Which party has this happened under? Oh yes, the gap between wealthy and poor has also significantly increased, but maybe the Tories will change during the next parliament, eh?

I did scrutinise the video and I really can't see any 'blatant lies'.
In that case, there's no hope for you. The interviewer clearly could, the rest of the panel clearly could, but you couldn't. Does that tell you anything about your political bias? Honestly, it is possible to support a party without blindly defending everything it does... It involves critical thinking though...

twofingerstoEverything · 16/11/2019 08:45

Young people are not silly. Some may vote for broad band... But some (already heard them) have said it won't work.

I agree with this. Most young people (and I work with around 200 of them) are more concerned about things like housing. Again, this has become more problematic and expensive under the last government.

twofingerstoEverything · 16/11/2019 08:46

Talking of work... I'm off now.

VeryGenuinequestions · 16/11/2019 08:52

Again it's not really a party issue.
I've heard young people say they heard housing was never the no 1 urgent, pressing issue it is now pre 2007?

SingingLily · 16/11/2019 08:57

Morning all! Thanks for putting the coffee machine on, Megan. Cuppa sorely needed.

I'm wondering if Labour, knowing they can't win, are using this election as an experiment - just how many outlandish policies can they announce before their core voters start to complain?

I read an article by Janet Daley in the Telegraph some time ago that explained how the Jezzas and John McDonnells think, Limer. She's an interesting woman: started off as a committed Marxist and lived in the Independent Marxist Republic of Haringey in the 1970s - the leading light was one Jeremy Corbyn. She was trying to raise a young family at the time and described the various mad schemes inflicted on the area by Jezza and his comrades in the cause of political purity and how it began affecting the community in quite a bad way. Things got to such a pitch that she had to move out but not before facing up to the fact that Marxism always, always ends in Venezuela.

She ended up, five years later, voting for Margaret Thatcher.

The point that Janet Daley makes is that the Jezzas of this world are not interested in gaining power legitimately through the ballot box. No, no, no, the ballot box (symbol of democracy) is far too unreliable. What they want is to make capitalism fail in such a fundamental and irreparable way that we - the great unwashed, the politically blinkered - wake up and achieve political enlightening. So they will do everything they can to push it to its limits, so that the current order breaks down and the new order can rise from the ashes.

Think of John McDonnell whose stated hobby is "fermenting the overthrow of capitalism" and who was sacked by Ken Livingstone for setting and concealing an illegal budget. Sacked by Red Ken for being too extreme Shock

I think, therefore, that the Labour Party in its current incarnation is utterly serious about nationalising everything that is not nailed down. John McDonnell would have no qualms as Chancellor about bankrupting the country. It's all part of the overall aim.

Brexit has simply thrown everything into sharp relief.

What I can't understand is why Keir Starmer et al are still there. They do not share the faith but they are still there.

That's why honourable men like Ian Austin and Tom Harris should be heeded. Ian Austin was in bits when he said what he did but his conscience would not let him do anything else.

ContinuityError · 16/11/2019 09:02

SingingLily

How many Labour front benchers went to a public school?

Bit of a rhetorical question really. You have to do a bit of digging to find one.

OTOH, I can think of at least 3 Tory front benchers that went to public school without resorting to Google. I’m sure there are others too.