Westminstenders: Extension or No Extension

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Johnson has sent a letter he said he never would asking for an extension.

We now wait to see what the EU come back with.

It's likely to be a technical extension. At best.

France are really not happy with the idea of an extension and Macron is flexing his muscles with the EU at the moment. He has been prepared to upset all the other EU countries as he proved with blocking progress on accession to the EU for Northern Macedonia and Albania this week. Macron is fighting his own domestic battles.

It looks as if Johnson now has a majority for a deal. What that deal will ultimately look like will be dictated by the Withdrawal Agreement Bill which sets out implementation of the Withdrawal Act.

However, with the DUP firmly offside the chances of a vote of no confidence go up. As do the chances of an election.

And its also worth pointing out that whilst the WAB is legally binding if we have an election and Johnson gets a majority, then there can always be changes made to domestic law. (implementation of the WA rather than the agreement principles of the WA agreed with the EU).

Thus any 'assurances' over workers rights and regulatory standards are only as good as long as this parliament...

Well precisely. The Tory benches flounced off instead of JRM bringing a Business Statement.

what, Bigchoc? Letwin passing meant there was no division held yesterday, the vote was due to be held today, as announced yesterday afternoon. I've honesty been in no doubt whatever that Speaker Bercow would prevent it from being held.

I'm not remotely surprised and he has rules to follow which support his decision. He also has discretion which he may exercise to arrive at a contrary decision.

I want him to apply his discretion fairly, that's all.

@LouiseCollins28 nothing happened yesterday. It was SUNDAY!

Seriously, Louise, there's a real niche for you here if you drop the platitudes. We have a real hole where the happy, optimistic persuader for Brexit should be.

All we get is this weird, defensive, petulant, sadistic message: a constant refrain of how Remainers are holding up Brexit.

This is despite the fact that Brexit is pushing ahead.

It's almost certainly going to happen.

So we need less of the whinging and more of the explanations of what the next ten years are going to be like - ideally, what is going to be so good about them.

Flint needs to cross the floor with fucking Hoey urgh

Caroline Flint only wants Brexity amendments allowed this week, bless.

JRM likes a flounce doesn't he? He orchestrated that one when they had the illegal prorogation when they refused to say bye bye to the speaker.

Desmond Swayne!!!!!!!!!

sorry what? you think I'm "sadistic", well it's a new insult i'll give you points for originality... Oh and I don't live in Essex either.

Sorry to have referenced the wrong day, Saturday as Potterhead pointed out.

Caroline Flint has been re-selected and is in a safe seat.

We have years of Caroline Flint to look forward to.

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With nodding reference to the Moggster, isn't there an old rhyme about holding tight to nurse for fear of finding something worse ?

I wonder how the new speaker will echo that ?

www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/21/brexit_ip_copyright_notices/

theregister.co.uk
We read the Brexit copyright notices so you don't have to… No more IP freely, ta very much
21 Oct 2019 at 13:30
3-4 minutes
Buried on Friday PM, just before pub o'clock

Among the daily two-dozen or so government updates on Brexit progress slipped in as everyone went to the pub on Friday were a bunch considering the impact on copyright and intellectual property.

First up: anyone using an EU satellite decoder to access programmes included in a UK broadcast (to avoid a charge) will be breaking the rules after Brexit.

So please stop doing that from exit day, if it comes. But if you're accessing programmes in your native language or otherwise using an EU decoder for any reason except to avoid paying you can continue to do so. Clear?

Also changing are rules on EU Portability Regulation. This currently allows people to access online services from anywhere in Europe as if they were at home. So you can use Amazon Prime or Netflix, for example, if you are a Brit temporarily in another European country. European citizens have the same rights when visiting the UK.

That will end come Brexit. Providers will no longer have an obligation to make sure that is possible, although they may continue to do so on a voluntary basis.

The EU Orphan Rights Directive will also be binned. In simple terms this covers copyrighted items – films, books or photos – where the rights holder is either not known or cannot be found. It covers quite large amounts of material held by archives and museums and offered online. The BFI, for instance, offers 170 orphan works on a dedicated YouTube channel.

Government advice is for cultural institutions to remove any orphan works from their collection online, consider applying for a UK orphan licence or if they have a UK license find a way to limit access to only UK residents.

Database owners relying on sui generis protection rights are also heading down the swanny. UK citizens and residents will lose sui generis protection after Brexit. The government advises considering copyright or licensing agreements to protect your database. However, there is a caveat:

"Database rights that exist in the UK prior to exit (whether held by UK or EEA persons or businesses) will continue to exist in the UK for the remainder of their duration."

Finally, the Home Office is spending £1m on advertising to encourage more people to sign up to the EU Settlement Scheme. This will be made easier if you've got an iPhone 8 or newer because the document check app will not work on these Apple devices. iPhone 7s and 7 Pluses will be able to run the application after an upcoming iOS update. ®

I said that all we get is weird, sadistic, etc messages, Louise.

I was talking about the totality I'd Leave messaging, not you particularly.

I look at a lot of Leave messaging. A lot of the official stuff is quite macho and sadistic - oddly enough, I would argue a lot of the official messaging betrays strong penetration anxieties! Which is interesting, isn't it?

So, not thinking about you particularly.

I'm sad that is what you focused on, rather than my main point: the fact there is a definite niche for a positive, up-beat Leave voice.

It was genuinely meant.

Bercow in the mood for impressions today it would seem!

Actually, one reflection, I wonder if Smug deliberately breached convention and due parliamentary process purely for the optics, knowing that it would be knocked back by the Speaker, so that the likes of Louise will be conned outraged at the "Remainer Speaker and Parliament" thwarting BJ and his government.

Tory toffs turning nasty to Bercow now. God they're bitter.

thanks for the clarification cat Sorry just a bit frustrated these last few minutes. I knew this was coming and should maybe not have gone public in reacting, but I'm just cross.

I don't think Louise is really outraged.

This is a major pile-on onto the Speaker. Fortunately he's robust enough to take it, but honestly, they're just queuing up to have a go.

I think pretty is right FWIW, certainly she is so far as my reaction is concerned. I think my instant crossness would be pretty typical for voters from a Leave POV to this development

Louise

Seriously, it.doesn't.matter.

It's the difference of a week or so.

The act is almost certainly going to pass.

Probably without the scrutiny it should have.

You don't have to worry.

You can now start - with us - looking at the detail.

I swear to you, you can drop the feeling of being denied and frustrated in your desire for Brexit.

And you can start focusing on what it is you have won.

Fair enough, Louise.

I bet Bercow is looking forward to 1 November

Oliver Letwin does look extraordinarily like an oompa-loompa

DH went to some of those Chatham House-style meetings on copyright pre-Brexit.

My goodness, industries were worried.

It'll be interesting to see what they make of the solutions our government has found.

It's not sounding good. ☹️