Boris and Leo Varadkar “see pathway” to a deal

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www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/10/boris-johnson-and-leo-varadkar-say-they-see-pathway-to-brexit-deal

What are your thoughts? Does this mean Brexit is going ahead after all?

Wow! That's one hell of a rewriting of history!

'Ireland entered the union'
I wonder was there a vote

There was no vote in Wales either to be taken over by the English.

Precisely @Peregrina . Only Scotland actually "entered the union". It is the only non-conquered nation in the Union.
Actually conquered. Not some tedious bullshit about being "bossed about by Brussels".

Scottish independence would technically be secession and not independence.

Crikey, I wasn’t making a political or meal point, thank you , to those who dispute my statement on the histoof the Union. The facts are that the Kingdom if Ireland entered a political union with the kingdoms of England and Scotland.

It’s from Wiki, but appropriately sourced:

“The Acts of Union 1800 (sometimes referred to as a single Act of Union 1801) were parallel acts of the Parliament of Great Britain and the Parliament of Ireland which united the Kingdom of Great Britain and the Kingdom of Ireland (previously in personal union) to create the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. The acts came into force on 1 January 1801, and the merged Parliament of the United Kingdom had its first meeting on 22 January 1801.“

No, people weren’t asked -most people wherever they lived had no vote at all. I made this point solely to refute the claim that the UK is only the UK because if NI - I have no axe to grind and just because you dislike the history doed not mean what I said wasn’t legally or constitutionally accurate!

Nonsense. If you get your history from Wikipedia what do you expect.

As a Scot, I always considered that the "United Kingdom" was created in 1707.

Here's a link to the Treat which created the union of Parliaments.

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/union.html

While the official name might have been Great Britain, the terminology throughout refers to the "United Kingdom of Great Britain" (occasionally adding in "and its dominions").

Well, thankfully bellini called the nonsense what it is before I read this.
I don't need Wikipedia to know the history of my own country...and you can bog off with your "legally and constitutionally accurate"....there's many a political act which may be"legally and constitutionally accurate" but not right.

Now, where have I noticed something of that ilk recently?

Duchess why so unpleasant? Prettybird has given evidence to back up my point which was simply that should NI revert to ROI we the UK would still exist since, “legally and constitutionally” (er what’s wrong with that? It’s existence predates the Act of Union with Ireland.

I was making no comment on Brexit or the rights and (lots of) wrongs of Anglo-Irish history.

I was not citing Wikipedia as an academic source but quoted it as it neatly encapsulated what I know from peer reviewed sourced to be correct since I was just using my phone on a train.

Pretty sorry I contributed to honest! Thanks Pretty for citing a better source.

@wigornian the whole problem is that many English people don't realise how ridiculous some of their supposedly neutral and casual comments are. Acting all hurt when you are pulled up on them only reinforces how silly they are.
Where "ridiculous " and "silly" actually mean something less polite.

Why do you assume I am English? I was stating a legal fact not commenting at all on the period of conquest and subjugation that certainly preceded it - I was merely addressing the contention that the UK would not be the UK anymore if NI ceded. The poster who I was responding to made no reference to the wider history either so it was within that context. What I objected to was the vilification of me as a poster for making that point, by some was a bit OTT to be honest shows them up as quite unpleasant people so I won’t concern myself with them anymore. Apologies OP for side—tracking.

You made the outrageous statement that Ireland "entered the union". If you can't see how revolting this comment is you are no student of history. Or of much else.

But it literally did enter the union - I did not say it was popular or done freely! Previously it was legally in personal Union with the Criwn- again certainly not freely. I was addressing a legal point with a legal response - nothing else. I am a student of history- but it’s English that you and others seem to be having trouble with!

I was commenting on a legal question not a political one - I am aware they are not synonymous!

I will try to resist the temptation to engage with you again bellini as you seem a bit dim!

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Same back to you, idiot.

Is that you, Dominic 😂

very droll.

Still nothing then. You would think any deal would have been released by now.

That's not how it works. Until the actual summit, they can still be negotiating.

A bit belligerent there belinisurge - there were less officious ways to communicate the fact that negotiations are on going and will most likely go to the wire.

So is this a warning or threat to the Irish in the UK. WTF does 'generally' mean.

Good luck to them trying to deport Irish people who have lived and worked here all their lives and paid taxes here.

@bellinisurge If it wasn't for DCs still at school here I would quite happily deport myself at this point.

You would think they learned something from the Windrush scandal.