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Someone please explain to me how no deal is still possible?

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eenymeenyminyme · 08/10/2019 12:10

I thought they'd passed a law saying we couldn't leave with no deal, so as we don't have one (and it's not looking likely by the 16th) Boris has to ask for an extension?

But people are still talking about plans for no deal and how Boris is going to steamroller ahead with it anyway? Surely he can't do that if it's now illegal? I don't understand!

Small words please - this is frazzling my brain... Confused

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MockersthefeMANist · 08/10/2019 12:44

The problem is that if we hit Oct 31 and there is no deal and, by some unlawful means, no extension, then that's it, we're out. The courts may rule that someone broke the law, but the damage will have been done. We shall be out, and by the rules not allowed to come back in except as a new member, minus rebates and opt-outs, committed to join the Euro etc.

Hester54 · 08/10/2019 12:46

MockersthefeMANist And we would never accept the Euro

MockersthefeMANist · 08/10/2019 12:48

There's no time limit on taking up with the Euro, but the prospect of it would preclude the UK rejoining.

(But we could go straight to the off-the-peg solution of EEA membership.)

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 12:50

It's not possible. People are just getting sucked in by the hyperbole of negotiations.

The government has assured the courts they will seek the exception, and even if they failed to, then the court would appoint someone to do it.

It's a non issue.

Runningmyultra · 08/10/2019 12:50

It certainly looks depressingly far more likely after today.

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 12:52

The courts may rule that someone broke the law, but the damage will have been done

This is inaccurately the court has the ability to nominate someone and tell them to seek the exception, there is plenty of time to do so Post rhe 19th. But it's moot. The court has been assured the exception will be sought.

MockersthefeMANist · 08/10/2019 12:52

I can break the law. I can drive away from the petrol station without paying. I shall be caught, but I've burnt most of the petrol by then. And you can never get it back.

Runningmyultra · 08/10/2019 12:52

Is it really Bluntness so we can't just 'fall out'? Who could request the extension if BJ doesn't? Senior civil servant?

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 12:53

It certainly looks depressingly far more likely after today.

No this is a misunderstanding of what's occurring. What's more likely after today is an extension. No deal is no more likely, than it was when the law was passed.

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 12:54

Is it really Bluntness so we can't just 'fall out'? Who could request the extension if BJ doesn't?

The court could appoint any number of people. From the cabinet secretary to a senior civil servant. It's irrelevant. The law is the law.

Iggly · 08/10/2019 12:56

Brexit is a case of politics mixed up with law.

Some of us don’t understand politics (which massively over simplifies to garner votes) and most of us don’t understand the nitty gritty legal points.

Boris Johnson is using politics to blind the general population and ultimately to win a general election.

So I’m ignoring all number 10 announcements as bullshit and paying closer attention to the EU as they’re not actually chasing votes.

Boris is playing a game with the aim of trying to pin the blame on everyone. Instead of being a grown up and trying to deliver a sensible solution

AutumnCrow · 08/10/2019 12:57

The reason Johnson 'won' the Scottish court case yesterday (he really didn't) was because he promised the court he'd obey the law ie the Benn Act.

JuneFromBethesda · 08/10/2019 12:58

So I’m ignoring all number 10 announcements as bullshit and paying closer attention to the EU as they’re not actually chasing votes.

I like your way of thinking. If I can hold my nerve I will try to do the same (but my god those idiots in No.10 are making me very nervous)

AutumnCrow · 08/10/2019 13:00

Johnson is a complete and utter tool to put the UK through this. I agree it's game-playing to grub for votes.

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 13:10

The reason Johnson 'won' the Scottish court case yesterday (he really didn't) was because he promised the court he'd obey the law ie the Benn Act.

Exactly, the court said they didn't need to outline what would happen as the government has already assured them in writing they would seek the extension. There is no part of that that's hard to understand.

Everything else is just negotiations to get a deal and get it through Parliament. It's all bullshit.

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eenymeenyminyme · 08/10/2019 13:17

Thanks everyone, my mind has been slightly put at rest! I hate all the bamboozling from the press and the politicians, the whole 'get Brexit done' thing makes me shudder, as if getting on with something else is way more important than finding the best solution.

I especially like the I’m ignoring all number 10 announcements as bullshit and paying closer attention to the EU as they’re not actually chasing votes line - will keep that in mind!

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Chloemol · 08/10/2019 13:22

Because the Benn Act can only dictate what we do, ie no deal by 19th October the PM has to send a letter asking for an extension etc. However what it cant do is dictate to the EU that they have to agree to an extension.

If they don’t agree to an extension then we are out no deal on 31st October, and as no one knows what will happen we still have to prepare for a no deal

DarlingNikita · 08/10/2019 13:58

Because the Benn Act can only dictate what we do, ie no deal by 19th October the PM has to send a letter asking for an extension etc. However what it cant do is dictate to the EU that they have to agree to an extension.

Came on to say this.

Johnson will ask for an extension, is my prediction, then fight a GE campaign on the basis of being the hero who WILL achieve Brexit despite what the big bad EU say. And I’ve a horrible feeling that he will win a majority from the electorate on that ticket.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/10/2019 14:01

Of course there is no obligation on the EU to grant an extension...

mummmy2017 · 08/10/2019 14:03

What would an extension be for?

Frenchfancy · 08/10/2019 14:06

The EU are not obliged to grant an extension. This week both France and the Netherlands have implied strongly that they would veto any extension request and I don't think they are alone.

OliveOwl · 08/10/2019 14:07

General chicanery.

Bluntness100 · 08/10/2019 14:09

France and Netherlands say that every time. Neither can afford not to grant us an extension.

So an extension will be granted, that's a given. What's not a given is how long for, and it's doubtful it will be three months, they will likely request longer.

mummmy2017 · 08/10/2019 14:10

So extension granted, Election. Tory's in.
Brexit is the result.

AutumnCrow · 08/10/2019 14:16

It may arguably be 'best', sadly, for the EU to veto an extension.

Then an election will have to be fought by Johnson and the Tories in the midst of the full negative effects of their venal stupidity on the populace at large, post No Deal Brexit.

I'm struggling with this actually.

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