Thank God for Gina Miller, willing to stand up for democracy.

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Well seeing she's a woman.

Just saying

It does rather help to know whether the proponents of no deal are likely to actually suffer the negative consequences. But then I’m not likely to take a huge amount of notice of someone who uses the words parliament and government interchangeably.

Did someone upthread imply no- one is standing up for leave. We have had three years of nothing else but a small minded mob of disproportionately powerful politicians and funders doing just that.

Do you think they're a compassionate unselfish mob with high integrity and powers of persuasive unifying debate? Look at who the Leave bedfellows are and wonder if perhaps they may have an agenda which would shaft their rank and file supporters ..

Mark Francois, Farage, Dick Braine, Rees Mogg, Tommy Robinson,Johnson , Aaron Banks, Robert Mercer , Trump, Putin, Steve Baker,Andrew Brigden, David Davis, Iain Duncan Smith, Liam Fox, Sajid Javid, Dominic Raab, Dominic Cummings, Andrea Leadsom, Kate Hoey, Tim Martin.

Quality.

As said upthread - what fine dependable bedfellows they are. Some Leave posters on here support them so loyally and devotedly but I'm not sure that support would be reciprocal.

It does rather help to know whether the proponents of no deal are likely to actually suffer the negative consequences

Impossible to know as vote was by secret ballot. However, I don't think that each of the 17.4 million who voted leave are all super rich and were educated at Eton.

Well no, but they've been well and truly shafted by those who did Mystery

Who were

It's not impossible to know - if a person is Australian, American or Russian then we can safely say they will not be personally affected by a no-deal Brexit.

now they have openly declared they want to stop brexit

They have openly declared that hey want to stop a NO DEAL Brexit. Not the same as stopping it altogether.

And I do get a bit fed up of pointing this out but had the ERGers and other brexity Brexiteers voted for Teresa May's deal, we would have left on time in March. Stop blaming remainer MPs when the brexity ones refused to compromise as well

“Impossible to know as vote was by secret ballot. However, I don't think that each of the 17.4 million who voted leave are all super rich and were educated at Eton.”

Irrelevant. No one voted for no deal, it was never considered an option at the time and a great deal was heavily advertised by the leave camp. Anyone who says they voted for no deal is lying.

Anyway I was not referring to leave voters, but to people who live in the US, Australia and other countries beyond europe, who love to pop up and promote no deal because they are enjoying the show. It’s pure trolling

Leavers should be thrilled with the Supreme Court outcome yesterday. To say otherwise is to say that they do not believe in parliamentary sovereignty. You cannot take this stance if you claim your leave vote was for “taking back control” etc - this is exactly what taking back control looks like!

Yes, no deal was not an option in the referendum, as anyone who had actually seen the ballot paper would know ... I suppose you have had to be a UK citizen to have done that though.

would have, not just have

And I do get a bit fed up of pointing this out but had the ERGers and other brexity Brexiteers voted for Teresa May's deal, we would have left on time in March. Stop blaming remainer MPs when the brexity ones refused to compromise

WA was voted on three times.

First vote only 3 Labour MP's were for the WA

Second vote only 4 Labour MP's were for the WA

Third vote only 5 labour MP's were for the WA.

So WA was sabotaged by Labour as they hoped they could force a general election. Even Johnson and Mogg voted for the WA the third time around.

if a person is Australian, American or Russian then we can safely say they will not be personally affected by a no-deal Brexit

How? They may have relatives in EU?

No one voted for no deal

So have you spoken to all 17.4 million leave voters? How did you find out who they are?

Anyone who says they voted for no deal is lying

Is that an established fact (if so provide link or source) or an opinion?

Yes, no deal was not an option in the referendum

Ballot paper had to be equal parity between leave and remain. Hence the question was leave or remain.

Listing different leave alternatives on the paper was not possible due to;

Agreement could never be reached on the leave options. Millions of different scenarios possible.

If leave was split into option then the remain supporters would argue possibly that none of the individual leave options received more votes then remain. Hence the result is remain even though the total % of leave could be massively higher.

@MysteryTripAgain nope, you still aren't prepared to say, are you? Nice deflection tactics, though.
I have relatives in the US. While I might have an opinion on politics in the US, I wouldn't dream of trying to set myself as a person affected directly by it. Which you are. If you don't live in the UK or the EU , how are you directly affected. Paid full UK tax recently, have you?

Anyone who says they were voting for no deal is lying. This is fact. No deal was not even considered an option at the time of the referendum, as anyone who was here In 2016 will remember. No deal was only spoken about when it began to become clear that a deal would not be possible before the end of March this year. The leave camp spoke often of “easiest deal in history”. No one voted for no deal brexit.

No one voted for no deal brexit

Another person who has been able to identify the 17.4 million who voted leave and obtain signed statements from each that they did not vote for no deal.

1,189 days have passed since the referendum of 23 June 2016. To know how 17.4 million voted you will have had to speak to 10 people per minute, 24 hours per day everyday without time out to; eat sleep, drink, wash., ...

An astonishing feat I must say.

We know for sure no one voted for no deal because it was not an option at the time of the vote. No leave campaigners campaigned on a no deal platform. We know this and do not need to rewrite history as no deal being the “will of the people”

There hasn't been a "Deal or No Deal" vote at any point. Ergo no one has voted for No Deal.

So, I'm asking a direct question @MysteryTripAgain . Are you in the UK or EU? If not, who cares what you think because no Deal does not affect you.

This is such a ridiculous diversionary tactic. It’s an attempt to rewrite history and it’s easy to see why. Back to the thread topic, leavers should be really happy with yesterday’s outcome as an endorsement of parliamentary sovereignty. I am amazed at the cognitive dissonance displayed by some leave supporters about this.

We know for sure no one voted for no deal because it was not an option at the time of the vote

Options were leave or remain. No caveats on the ballot paper that said if a deal is not made then remain is the default.

Article 50 anticipates the possibility of a no deal. Irish attorney general is quoted as saying GFA does not prevent UK from leaving the EU.

Supreme Court ruling was that Boris had not acted lawfully in prorogation of parliament. Nothing to do with merits of Brexit.

If not, who cares what you think because no Deal does not affect you

Who is forcing you to be on MN?

No one, of course. But you are spouting stuff about a situation that has no direct impact on you.

“Article 50 anticipates the possibility of a no deal.”

It is irrelevant as this was not the basis on which the leave campaigns were run. Leave camp made clear that there would be a good and easy deal to be made to leave the EU. It’s clear that leave voters were lied to about this, and an attempt is now being made to make people believe that no deal was what everyone always wanted. This is nonsense. I don’t know why leave voters aren’t more angry about how much the leave camp has let them down