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Westminstenders: Silly Season

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RedToothBrush · 22/09/2019 07:03

It's that time of year again when politicians seem to completely lose their marbles in order to impress the faithful. And it is beginning to feel like conference season is increasingly an exercise in religious ferver to the party rather than considering what's in the best interests of the whole country.

Labour have got off to a good start before their conference opens, by almost starting complete melt down.

The Tories have promised to break from convention and try and over shadow the others, so that's something to look forward to.

And early this week we have the supreme Court ruling which could, regardless of which direction it swings, have massive ramifications for our democracy.

Big week ahead.

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Grinchly · 23/09/2019 17:12

Higher level is now 87 B CF, and has been for some years - went through this with my father years ago.

It funds the basics to keep a person independent as long as they are not severely compromised- as I imagine the L A intended. Anything over that she/I paid.

Seems reasonable to me, ditto higher level for bank hols.

Private home care fees are another matter altogether.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2019 17:16

Meanwhile, where we'll be hunting new trade deals after Brexit ....

Peter Foster@pmdfoster SadAngry

This is ugly...the Faustian pact the West made with China is turning into just that it seems.

China footage reveals hundreds of blindfolded and shackled prisoners

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/china-footage-reveals-hundreds-of-blindfolded-and-shackled-prisoners-uighur?

Drone footage has emerged showing police leading hundreds of blindfolded and shackled men from a train in what is believed to be a transfer of inmates in Xinjiang.

The video, posted anonymously on YouTube last week,
shows what appear to be Uighur or other minorities wearing blue and yellow uniforms, with cleanly shaven heads, their eyes covered, sitting in rows on the ground and later being led away by police.

Westminstenders: Silly Season
MockersthefeMANist · 23/09/2019 17:18

The moment is nigh. Will Labour come out as Remain, or stick with Vicky Pollard: Butyehbutnobutyehbutnobut....

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2019 17:19

Grinchly Back in 2008-2010, the local council paid carer fees of about 200-220 quid per week for 3 daily visits
and I topped up with 2 additional shorter daily visits

DGRossetti · 23/09/2019 17:19

I guess with so many people being sniffy about watching things in B&W, the world needs atrocities in colour to make the real for the later generations.

cherin · 23/09/2019 17:22

Qualifications: I sent the link up thread, yes I think the situation is....
A) Those already graduated and chartered/whatever form of mutual recognition needed= no changes, neither for U.K. in Eu or viceversa

B) Those graduated and in the process of getting chartered/qualified= the U.K. institutions have declared they’ll process the application of Eu citizens as before brexit, even if it happens mid-process
The EUs I’m not sure, I think it’s up to member states?

C) post no deal. There is non guarantee of recognition of either degree or qualification. The Eu directive states that they will not provide guarantees of recognition to U.K. citizens regardless of where they got their degree/qualification which really stinks. A bright british student who might finishing a degree or a qualification program in something brilliantly cool like water management in the Netherlands (just dropping there a type of degree that I’ve never heard in the U.K. as an example)- would he get screwed “just because he’s a British National”? I suppose it’s a minor change compared to all the rest, but still

Of course as an employer there are other consequences. I’ll have no easy way to understand exactly which degree my Eu employees have and which route to chartership they can take, which means either I take a risk and hope I can sell their services as qualified engineers when possibly they’re not, or I need to pay to support them to do what previously was much more straightforward.
The other “funny” aspect of it is that we’ll not get notified anymore if our EU citizens are struck out of their national register as qualified professional. We’ll not have access anymore to that register, so if a doctor gets disqualified, a teacher is found unsuitable, a nurse has cheated his/her exam in native country...we’ll not know.
The more I look at this, the more I think that the implications could be serious. What are we doing with non Eu countries? I think we did hav an easy life, and we’re trading it for....?

Grinchly · 23/09/2019 17:24

That footage is chilling. I've been wondering how long it would be before that story made it fully into m s m.

BigChocFrenzy · 23/09/2019 17:25

Joshua Rozenberg@JoshuaRozenberg

I understand the @UKSupremeCourt will indeed be giving judgment in the Miller/Cherry prorogation cases at 1030 tomorrow Tuesday

DGRossetti · 23/09/2019 17:31

www.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/23/uk-to-snub-franco-german-alliance-for-multilateralism

theguardian.com
UK to snub Franco-German 'alliance for multilateralism'
Patrick Wintour
4-5 minutes

British ministers are to snub a major new “alliance for multilateralism” being launched by France and Germany at the United Nations general assembly this week in a fresh sign of how Brexit is shifting British foreign policy.

The alliance, due to be launched by the German foreign minister, Heiko Maas, and the French foreign minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, is intended to act as a bulwark against what Le Drian has described as “the wilding of the world” and the abandonment of the rules-based order set up after 1945.

The initiative, in the planning for six months, has inevitably been seen as a thinly veiled rebuke to the increasingly vocal advocates of national sovereignty such as Donald Trump.

The alliance’s first meeting in New York on Thursday is due to be attended by more than 50 ministers but Britain is not sending a minister, and has declined to sign five of the six declarations linked with the initiative.

The alliance is regarded by France and Germany as its most important joint diplomatic response to nationalism, and the British refusal to embrace the plan underlines how much Brexit may lead to a wider parting of the ways between the UK and Europe.

In the past in debates between advocates of national sovereignty and multilateralism, the UK has always sided with the multilateralists.

Countries that have signed up to the agreement, according to Le Drian, include France, Germany, Japan, Canada, Chile, Mexico, Singapore, Ghana and others. Le Drian made no mention of the UK. He said: “The symptoms of a true wilding of the world accumulates, putting in peril the multilateral edifice which we collectively developed, as we learned the lessons of two great world wars.”

The aim he said “was to give a voice to the immense majority of countries that believe in the efficiency of international cooperation”.

Calling the alliance an ambitious humanist project for the 21st century designed “to fight those that are destroying the international order”, Le Drian said the multilateral structures built after the second world war did not threaten national sovereignty.

Instead, he said such structures were “a collective guarantee and protection against the law of the strongest, including basic humanitarian law that protects civilians in time of war. Multilateralism is both a method and a goal. In a word multilateralism is humanism.”

Confirming the British ministerial absence from the launch on Thursday, a French government spokesman said the alliance was never intended to be a membership group with formal participation but instead an organisation for cooperation.

He said the UK supported one of the six initiatives, which are headed: call for trust and security in cyberspace, international partnership for information and democracy, joint position of the group of friends on climate and security, education; equality at the centre initiative and finally, 11 principles on lethal autonomous weapons systems.

The move came in the wake of the US president cutting funding for the United Nations, withdrawing from the UN human rights council, Unesco and the Paris climate agreement.

Le Drian and Maas stressed their initiative was not directed against the US, and Maas added that he would be happy to see the US join the effort.

Maas claimed multilateralism was under threat, adding that “all of those who want to join such an initiative [should] also declare themselves to be multilateralists. In the end, everyone will have to decide on which side they’re on.

“Whoever wants to join us can join us – it is against nobody,” said Mass.

Critics on the left claim the plan is in fact primarily in France and Germany’s national interests since they are the great beneficiaries of the status quo, and so are reluctant to reform institutions to allow currently marginalised nations a greater stake. Others have criticised the plan for being too vague, or duplicatory of the UN’s work.

LouiseCollins28 · 23/09/2019 17:34

Kier Starmer, applauding his own speech Hmm Surely that’s not a good look, is it?

LouiseCollins28 · 23/09/2019 17:43

Crunch time, comp 13!

LouiseCollins28 · 23/09/2019 17:45

Labour Conference Chaos!!

MockersthefeMANist · 23/09/2019 17:46

It's all kicking off in Brighton. The Chair refuses a card vote because she says the vote was lost .....carried ......lost. Which is clear.

TokyoSushi · 23/09/2019 17:48

What a bloody shambles at the Labour conference. Although to be fair it's been an absolute shambles all week!

LouiseCollins28 · 23/09/2019 17:49

Mockers yes, that was surreal.

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MockersthefeMANist · 23/09/2019 17:51

It's like we're back on the football pitch next to Longbridge and Red Robbo has declared the motion passed unanimously whilst the people who voted against are taken round the side for a stern talking to.

prettybird · 23/09/2019 17:52

So the Labour Party has voted to remain neutral.

That's the UK well and truly FUKD Sad

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MockersthefeMANist · 23/09/2019 17:54

They have been very clear. Labour will negotiate a truly brilliant Brexit deal. And then campaign against it.

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TheElementsSong · 23/09/2019 17:56

WTF is going on with Labour? Ah well, makes my voting decision considerably easier.

LouiseCollins28 · 23/09/2019 17:56

Absolute #Scenes at Labour Conference just now. Bit surprised they didn’t go “card vote” tbh though it did look fairly clear even if the announcement was bungled. Its always hard to tell coz from the TV you don’t know who is in shot and who isn’t.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 23/09/2019 17:58

They have been very clear. Labour will negotiate a truly brilliant Brexit deal. And then campaign against it.

If the LibDems are a Revoke/Remain party, Tory, BXP and UKIP are No Dealers, who do you suggest the soft leavers vote for in that circumstance, or are we only going to leave people with a binary choice because it went so well last time Hmm