Labour WANT to be unelectable, don't they?

[Miljah]

Just reading how Momentum under Jon Lansman, tried to get Tom Watson's role (deputy) abolished.

Apart from being as clumsy as prorogation in getting 'what you want', what a dumb thing to do on Momentum's part at this stage.

It's almost as if Labour are doing everything in its power to destroy itself.

Labour conference: Move to abolish deputy post ditched

Glad it's been overturned but the damage has been done.

Report in the independent this morning suggests the Watson thing is about succession planning, as Corbyn is about to pull out/be decapitated (not literally although one can always hope).
Not the most reliable source. I’d like it to be true.

Jeremy Cornyn sees politics entirely as an academic exercise, he genuinely does not see that there is a real world out here. He thinks he's playing a game of political Minecraft!

I haven't a clue about what, double?

That many people in blighted ex industrial towns have been mislead into blaming the EU rather than Thatcher for their plight, she who shut down their industries without any care for what might replace them?

Blaming the EU for the Tories not restricting EU immigration even though they had it within their power to do so, but chose not to-

Why? Because it suited the largely Tory voting company owners to be allowed to pack 8 Romanians into a caravan built for 4, then to under pay them, thus undercutting the locals.

Then we have health tourists, with the NHS refusing to help in identifying them those to bill their own governments.

These not the EU's fault. These are the fault of our own government.

FTR, I can entirely see why everyone wants the Tories to own the Brexit they manufactured. But Labour are making themselves unelectable.

I'd vote Lib Dem as Jo Swindon is for 5 years, whereas Brexit is for life.

Far rather have Corbyn’s Labour Party than Blair’s watered down Tory party.

Tom Watson needs to get behind his leader or shut up.

#momentum

Alas, to date, the electorate when invited to do so have not agreed with you.
That may change and if it does, I hope to emigrate

Miljah - It's your condescending description of leave voters that marks you out!

There are plenty of idiots who hate politicians and are just waiting for justification for their actions. You just need to think of the murder of Jo Cox. The idea that they could just revoke A50 and no one will give a peep is plainly ridiculous. Do you honestly think the far right would take that laying down?

Marks me out?? that's a bit of a threatening tone, double.

Whether you consider me 'condescending' or not is your value judgement. I couldn't care less if you think my view, which is shared by millions, is 'condescending' or a statement of fact.

And nah, I don't fear 'the far right'.

I'm stunned Corbyn wants to 'remain neutral' about Brexit until after any General Election. WTF????

How????

Brexit is THE major issue facing the country.

How is remaining neutral going to benefit and GE chances??

People want to know what they're voting for and don't want a 'pig in a poke'.

This man is an idiot!

Miljah you actually know very little about people in ex mining and industrial towns.

You seem to think they are all a bit simple and dont understand the impacts govenerments, including labour governments have had on their lives.

The simple fact is that remainers like you (ie assuming others must be thick) do more damage than good.

You may not fear the far right. Doendt mean you are right.

The trouble is nobody wants this poisoned chalice.

What everyone in Parliament wants is a reset button.

They'd need to go back at least 20-30 years and do things differently re the EU. Rather than embracing the EU superstate and rubber-stamping ever closer union, the politicians should have resisted it and stood their ground that we voted to join the EEC, a free trade area, and leave it at that. It was the "stealth" scope creep that caused the pro/anti EU divisions in the country. But the London Centric, Pro EU, political elite thought they knew best and pressed head long into every closer integration, embracing free movement of people, all without public consent. That's come back to bite them on the bum. They were out of touch with Joe Public and still are.

@Miljah Blaming the EU for the Tories not restricting EU immigration even though they had it within their power to do so, but chose not to

Blair had the power to restrict freedom of movement from the newly admitted Eastern European countries. Other EU countries exercised their power. Blair didn't because he wanted to "rub the noses of the right in diversity".

The anti-EU feeling grew massively under 13 years of Blair and Brown. What did they do to help the Northern towns that continued to decline under them?

It does feel like Labour are doing their best to be unelectable

I've said all along, I don't think Corbyn has any desire at all to be prime minister, he is exactly where he is happiest, in opposition. All of the fun and none of the responsibility.

However some of the shite they are dreaming up now as policies is bonkers. No wonder the term the loony left was coined.

I agree. Also, where the heck did momentum come from? I know people with these far left views (which when it gets very extreme starts looking rather like the far right) have always been there but why are there now so many?

When ‘red ed’ was voted it he was carried there by the unions, what happens between then and now? Is it just the Internet? Has it enabled all the extremists to band together?

The Labour Party seems increasingly for a fictional ‘working man’. They aren’t interested in women, people who have a religion, they dont really seem that bothered about freedom of movement, they aren’t up in arms when Nissan etc close their doors. It’s totally weird!

I totally agree Labour are not helping themselves, everytime some official in their party opens their mouth to advices their party members of a new idea, everyone else in the country is thinking .. what the heck!

Abolishing Labour Students doesn't lie well with me either.

What's a political party without students and youth?

The Labour Party seems increasingly for a fictional ‘working man’. They aren’t interested in women, people who have a religion, they dont really seem that bothered about freedom of movement, they aren’t up in arms when Nissan etc close their doors. It’s totally weird!

They're not even interested in the "working man" unless he works in the public sector and is a member of a union. They've not noticed that most people work in the private sector, many for small employers. They offer nothing for those. Nor do they offer anything for all those who've lost their jobs, especially in the run down Northern cities, other than promising more benefits. "Working man" doesn't want benefits, he wants a job!

The Labour Party seems increasingly for a fictional ‘working man’. They aren’t interested in women, people who have a religion,...

The lack of real interest in women has always put me off Labour, even though I like many of their policies. Mind you, if I lived in an area where Labour stood a chance of getting elected, it would be no contest between them and the Tories.

@Kazzyhoward that’s exactly it! If you are a man who works in a local authority post room they’ll deify you, but don’t get above your station. Momentum only want you broke so they can play lady bountiful.

So just looking.
Get rid of private schools.
Set a max for wages payable, Corbyn wants this, so what max wage 50k.
If your a landlord let's make you sell your house to your Tennant.
Take back the Railway, the Power supply, so what else,

For a lot of people, those are perfectly popular policies, with the exception of the maximum wage being 50K. But people would certainly be happy to see some of the silly salaries and golden handshakes for failure of company directors, or heads of Multi-Acadamy Trusts etc. reigned in sharply.

children are better educated that parents and earn more as a general rule, so say your children are on a good wage and want to send your child to a better school, or before they met their partner both bought a house and stand to lose on that deal.

“What’s a political party without students and youth?”
The Conservative party?

Could you be any more patronising @Miljah?