Labour WANT to be unelectable, don't they?

[Miljah]

Just reading how Momentum under Jon Lansman, tried to get Tom Watson's role (deputy) abolished.

Apart from being as clumsy as prorogation in getting 'what you want', what a dumb thing to do on Momentum's part at this stage.

It's almost as if Labour are doing everything in its power to destroy itself.

Labour conference: Move to abolish deputy post ditched

Glad it's been overturned but the damage has been done.

The whole idea of abolishing private education is really not a good idea. Where will all the children go ? Where will all the staff be employed? Will they keep the same buildings but the government will pay for it all instead? The bill will be enormous!
Worst idea ever in my opinion and not well thought out.

Totally agree The80. It's all very well for them to say they will save money by abolishing them, but have they not even taken into account the amount of children who's parents already pay tax for their education but don't take it up. All these children will then need educated for free! They have also forgotten about the amount of children in these private schools on bursaries. My children were as where a very large proportion of children at their school. Not everyone in private education are really well off. I also can't see how they think they will close them all down, take over all their land, buildings and endowment funds. How can they do this legally?

The 32 hour working week is also priceless!

How the fuck are they going to fund that?

It's a stupid policy , I agree doubletrouble!

I was state educated and I'm grateful there were schools around to attend for me and my children , but I do not begrudge those that pay for their children to go to a private school or college. Their children are freeing up places for those children that have to rely on the state : which is a considerable amount of children! It must be a tiny percentage nationally that go to a private school ; bigger things need sorting out not this. I'm not even sure it would be legal?
It's so ridiculous.

He's a twat. Really struggling to find reasons to vote Labour tactically to keep Tory/Brexit Party loons out.

...So the chair, whose job it is to declare votes, declared the pro-Remain vote passed, but then Jenny Formby whispered in her ear and she said it was lost, then whispered again to say there would be no card vote.

Welcome to East Germany.

The fence still gets sat on.
Yet again something that should have gone one way goes the other.
Do you ever wonder if fate has something planed?

Tilltgeendoftgeline Ok, let's be generous and assume many down at heel ex industrial northern towns voted Leave for good, sound reasons.

Let's assume they took careful stock of the benefits, and disadvantages of EU membership. Let's assume their opinions weren't formed by the DM, that they did their own, independent research. Let's assume they carefully examined every ill in their lives and concluded which were due to the EU and which to a succession of right wing governments. Let's assume they'd worked out that EU workers were doing the work they themselves weren't interested in, while recognising that them being underpaid, cash in hand, 8 to a caravan was having a blind eye turned to it by the Tories; Let's assume they understood that not restricting their numbers and insisting on work within 3 months, or home - was being overlooked by the UK government, not the EU. Let's assume they were politically engaged enough to have always executed their democratic right to vote.

So, with those assumptions made- that good, sound reasons were examined prior to voting ... why did they vote 'Leave'?

Especially bearing in mind that the most googled term on June 24th was 'What is the EU?'

One might almost think they were 'projecting'. Projecting underfunded, hopeless lives onto something nice and simple, especially a thing that their red tops had assured them the pinko, lefty, liberal softy southerners wanted.

Please don't spout 'Sovrginty' or 'Taking back control'.

You're not Dominic Cummings.

Let's assume then that there is a lot more annoyance about how we went into the EU and that has been hidden for years until DC the idiot misread the UK.

I was watching some of the conference on sky news. Never seen anything like it. Major vote and they hadn't even worked out how to do it, had to discuss it before the vote, show of hands or a card, they took an extensive discussion on the stage, before then arguing about the result. It was genuinely quite astonishing.

When you add in the four day week for five day wages, forcing landlords to sell to long term tenants, wanting to steal private schools and make them state, it's like some form of bizarre communist comedy show, the likes of which this country has likely never seen.

@Miljah these mythical british people who wont do jobs, where are they. Cause they arent here? I keep hearing about these people, usually from buiness owners who's whole business plan is based on getting the cheapest labour they can. But dont know any if these people who sneer at certain jobs.

I am heavily involved in the local community and dont know one person British or otherwise who isnt in work. Obviously discounting sahp and single parents with very young babies.

If you dont live in these communities you wont ever get it. That's the problem. With so many remainers the sneering at people who voted leave.

Quite frankly, if you cant even be arsed to get my user name right, not sure why I would bother conversing with you.

Mil you had be until... Doing the jobs they didn't want.

You see when you phrase it like that you make it sound like it was a desperate ploy by Blair to fill Labour gap that urgently needing filling.

Not bloody true. It was a total cock up! A mistake.
It's double speak. People see it!

Patronising indeed

Ah, the swearing and name calling.

I've won this debate, haven't I? 😂

And Labour have just put the final nail in the coffin by not coming out in support of Remain.

They've had it.

They can’t support remain when half their voters voted to leave!

Right back atcha, @dirtyrottenscoundrel

And did everyone who voted Remain look carefully at all the issues and weigh up the pros and cons or did they just prefer the status quo? Or were frit of change?

I was watching some of the conference on sky news. Never seen anything like it. Major vote and they hadn't even worked out how to do it, had to discuss it before the vote, show of hands or a card, they took an extensive discussion on the stage, before then arguing about the result. It was genuinely quite astonishing.

Are we talking about a shambles in the Labour party here, or are we talking about the shambles that is Brexit - major vote, don't know what to do now....

I know, dark forces are at work, what next, do you think some rich people are pulling strings to ensure we leave.

And Labour have just put the final nail in the coffin by not coming out in support of Remain.

But a lot of Labour areas voted Leave!

Do you think the media caused this, after all they were so full of reports that Labour were just going to wave the idea through.

A description of your behaviour is not name calling Miljah. Neither is anyone swearing. Your latest utterance is very revealing.

I get that impression sometimes, but I do think that if another party is elected they should have an opportunity to negotiate a deal and if that fails in parliament, to put it to the people to vote again as 'accept deal or 'remain'. I think this is fair enough. It means we have a choice of 'no deal's, remain, another deal negotiated (although it isnt going to change most likely) and public vote across the main three parties. It gives us more choice. It is the labour's domestic policies that worry me slightly. They will be seen as far too radical and unworkable, although I'm so desperate for change, I might consider voting Labour if the opinion polls would suggest a tactical vote might work. I'm a bit worried this has become a Brexit vote when everything else needs attention too. I hope everyone considers this.

360 I completely understand the narrative around Brexit being only one issue. However the problem is it is regularly contradicted by the majority of the PLP putting stopping Brexit before everything else. They keep telling us that "Brexit is permanent but we can change Government any time we like".

How will Labour PLP vote now if Boris calls a Confidence Vote in light of the Supreme Court? Blocking a GE was dubious before but even worse now surely?