How will this end?

[Sarahlou63]

I'm 56, have lived outside the UK for 25 years and now have permanent residency in Portugal along with an Irish passport so in theory I'm not affected by what's now happening in the UK.

But I am so sad and angry in turn by how the country is being torn apart and for what? An issue that had a 6% ranking in people's concerns before the 2015 election now consumes every newspaper headline, every online conversation, every TV news show with no end in site. Any ending - deal, no deal, revoke, will not end the chaos, hatred and division.

I'm not quite sure what I'm asking because I can't see an end to this in my lifetime and that is horrendous.

And as for the OP, how will this end, I don't know. One think I am sure of though is that as a nation, we have no good options, ever road open to us is filled with problems and has no end in sight. Fucking twat Cameron.

Honestly ... It's not me being hard on myself more a statement I was an idiot, I didnt understand the depths. Arguably the dawkins case of why this shoukdnt ever have gone to referendum. But even worse is something I've wondered ever since... was this kind of narrow minded viscousness that i see in multiple places around this always here or has it just been fanned into being? I believed much like the dutch have said "we believed the English were rational pragmatist, well they're not".

It definitely came as a total surprise to me, but I live in a London 85% remainers bubble where people were shell shocked (and still are, to an extent)

If there’s two lessons that we can all take out of it, I’d say:

• voting is a right and a duty. Don’t underestimate the value of your single vote. Think before you vote, and look beyond the obvious or the superficial slogans. It should be a conscious vote, not a string pulling exercise. However you vote.
• don’t take anything for granted. (Not even your right to vote. People died to give you this vote, and in many countries it’s not yet a true freedom). History is not as progressive as we think, countries like ours have had setbacks and crises. One of my friends grew up in Syria with a dad that was a very respected surgeon, she a woman rights activist with an MBA and a scholarship in the states. A summer house and holidays in Europe. They lost everything in Syria, but they’re still the lucky ones because they got out in time. Not to say that this will happen to any of us, just saying that we really should appreciate our rights, exercise them, and be the best citizen we can be.

When this will end, our only hope to rebuild this country is by following principles of solidarity, mutual support, respect, and democracy. Right now, I feel this is being shred to pieces. Leavers are screaming that their vote is not being respected and I can understand their point of view. I still think it’s a diversion and they’re disposable pawns in a bigger game (we all are). BUT i will never understand how someone can be so selfish as to think that risking the health of others is worth it. If your conscience is not enough to tell you, at least think... We can become the others any day. We can develop diabetes, or cancer, or a heart condition any day. One day we’re hopping from work to school, the next one life throws you a curved ball. What makes it worth it, in your eyes???

Being heartbroken and devastated is completely OTT

Not if it ruins peoples' lives. In fact it already is. How many people have already lost their jobs? It's ok if you find another job quickly (but it might not pay as well, have as good benefits and you start the two years before you can claim for unfair dismissal all over again, so your quality of life and stress levels suffer). If you can't find a job at all, it could be disastrous.

I have a (wildly impractical) idea for a new law. A pro-Brexit government minister should be compelled to attend the inquest of any death directly related to a no-deal Brexit; suicide through job loss, lack of essential medication, hypothermia due to shortage of heating fuel, etc. That might (only might) concentrate govt. minds.

Well, that managed to kill the thread

I thought it was a good idea, actually!

Being heartbroken and devastated is completely OTT

I live abroad and have had no contact with any of my family of leave voters since the referendum. Being heartbroken and devastated is pretty apt.

Sarahlou63

Better idea (I think) they face manslaughter charges in the same way heads of companies can face corporate manslaughter charges.

Likewise, if the violence starts again in NI.

I left the UK heartbroken seeing the lack of investments in the sector I work in, the opportunities cut short for my UK colleagues and their families, all the nurses, engineers, dentists etc coming back to the EU, all the people will illnesses like renal failure that won't be able to afford a travel health insurance to spend a week abroad as they cannot get dialysis any longer in Europe, etc.

I do wonder if some prominent people will end up in prison a few years down the line.

Kenn yes I wonder that too. Cameron made fairly damning remarks about Gove and Johnson today didn't he.

peanut! Peanut!

Why so coy?

You had all the answers yesterday. It would be so disappointing to discover that you are as big a waste of fucking oxygen as so many other 'It'll be fine!, ignorant Brexiters.

Can you not advise us further?

We're waiting!