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StealthPolarBear · 06/09/2019 10:33

What now?

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time4chocolate · 06/09/2019 11:58

Well that got everyone over excited!!

Can you think of another one MrPan. Maybe I should have said only negotiating tool. We are up shit creek without a paddle.

Not going to happen but would love the EU not to agree an extension.

MrPan · 06/09/2019 12:03

Yes, that's why I imagined EU having wider concerns AND that they can't stop us shooting ourselves.

The so called 'efforts' at negotiating, the attempts to pass a GE 'law' - these will both deliberately fail.

So Johnson and his junta will use these things as justification to ignore Parliamentary democracy and assume 'emergency powers' in the interests of The People and Democracy.

SayOohLaLa · 06/09/2019 12:04

Do people think France would veto an extension if the EU offered one? Macron seemed sick to the back teeth of the whole process when we got the 31st October extension. Any exntesion has to be agreed by all 27 countries doesn't it?

So even if BJ was marched to Brussels and told to ask fo an extension, France may still say no.

MrPan · 06/09/2019 12:05

No, I imagine the EU will try everything to stop us being a collection of fools and compromise the welfare of all in the EU.
But then you can't argue with stupid.

MrPan · 06/09/2019 12:07

All EU countries have an interest in No Brexit. They have been very patient, and will also be so in the future. No deal isn't gonig to happen, so they need to be willing to negotiate, including agreeing to a revocation.

time4chocolate · 06/09/2019 12:14

No deal isn't gonig to happen, so they need to be willing to negotiate, including agreeing to a revocation

We are sooooo polar opposites on that particular gem that there is no point you or I wasting our valuable time taking that any further.

berlinbabylon · 06/09/2019 12:21

I guess they want us to have a GE so they can deal with someone that actually wants to speak to them Exactly. And hopefully someone who will reconsider May's red lines.

Bluntness100 · 06/09/2019 12:31

Proroguing Parliament is a done deal. So pretty much is no deal being made Illegal. As is the fact rhere will not be a general election before the 31 Oct. the other parties will demand later if and when they agree to it.

So Boris is blocked in. He will fight it for a few days to try to get Corbyn to agree it, he may even try to bring a new bill forward to permit it.

But right now it looks like he either seeks an extension or resigns. He does have other options though.

He may get a deal from the eu that's acceptable to the majority of the house, a customs union for example would likely scrape through the house, allowing us to leave at the end of Oct, and the eu would accept it, so there is an option there and it removes rhe need for a back stop..

Alternatively he could delay and go for a second referendum. Give the people want many of them want.

None of these are likely but they are possible, as he needs to find a way through this.

jasjas1973 · 06/09/2019 12:38

Not going to happen but would love the EU not to agree an extension

You may well get your wish, no guarantees of anything at the moment.

However, looks like we won't get the GE in October now, so an extension would be asked for on the basis of an election.

MrPan · 06/09/2019 13:18

A evocation is as much a possibility as anything else. Weirder things have happened. Almost 50% of the ref voters wished it in 2016, and nothing since has made any form of brexit more attractive. Brexit does not improve anyone's lives.

So whilst it's very unpopular, the fact is revocation should be included in any framing of the situation we are in.

MrPan · 06/09/2019 13:19

i.e. revocation = remain obvs innit.

time4chocolate · 06/09/2019 13:26

You may well get your wish, no guarantees of anything at the moment.

Doubt it Jas that would be EU causing a no deal, don’t think they are up for that at the end of the day. GE or no GE we will get an extension.

A GE (second ref if you like 😉) and all that will follow immediately after is going to be a nice early Christmas present for the country (not).

Bluntness100 · 06/09/2019 13:26

You may well get your wish, no guarantees of anything at the moment

Considering the dire impact it will have on them, that's about as likely as me sprouting wings and flying.

jasjas1973 · 06/09/2019 13:57

Considering the dire impact it will have on them, that's about as likely as me sprouting wings and flying

Lol!
I am not so sure about that, brexit has to end one way or another and if it were that dire, they would open up the WA, they've been solid behind that one.

However, as the opposition will not vote for an election just yet, so, the UK will ask for an extension because of a GE ?

MockersthefeMANist · 06/09/2019 14:26

This was always way above the pay grade of the high court and they have kicked it upstairs to the SCOTUK, where it is likely it will be rolled up with the Scottish and NI cases.

Parker231 · 06/09/2019 15:59

BJ will have to ask for an extension - it’s one of the requirements of the latest legislation to block a no deal. BJ has said he won’t ask for an extension so the question is on what date does he resign and we get rid of him!

ColaFreezePop · 06/09/2019 16:06

@MysteryTripAgain 406 constituencies did not vote leave.

The areas in the referendum did not match the parliamentary constituencies. The referendum was done on council boundaries.

This is about the third time I've lived in an area where the parliamentary constituency boundary didn't correspond to the council boundary. My current MP covers parts of 2 council areas and has to frequently work with one or more MPs, including those from an opposition party, to deal with local issues that cover the council area.

MysteryTripAgain · 06/09/2019 16:41

@colafreezepop

Look on fullfact.org

Their figures are 410 leave

For labour 148 leave and 84 remain

ColaFreezePop · 06/09/2019 17:01

@MysteryTripagain I don't need to look on fullfact.org because I currently live it.

I've had to explain this to loads of people in different elections including candidates of minor parties in a GE, that depending on the election a different council counts my vote due to my parliamentary constituency covering part of 2 council areas.

MysteryTripAgain · 06/09/2019 18:57

@colafreezepop

So post your data on the internet for people to read. Explain how you have reached your conclusions.

dirtyrottenscoundrel · 06/09/2019 19:01

Haven’t RTFT but has brexit basically been cancelled?

julie81 · 06/09/2019 19:04

Gina Miller said it had not been rejected just referred to Supreme Court.

Peregrina · 06/09/2019 23:29

No Brexit hasn't been cancelled, but Johnson has to put his money where his mouth is, and charm the EU to giving him a deal that he can put to Parliament, or he has to ask for an extension. But he doesn't want to do that - he wants to lie down in a ditch and die. I don't know if that means he intends to resign and be famous for being the shortest lasting PM in history, or whether he intends to break the law.

needmorespace · 07/09/2019 09:47

Labour have shot themselves in the foot and sent the country to hell with their abstaining from a GE. Because now a no deal Brexit is almost a certainty, whereas before there was a chance that it could still be stopped and an extension sought or even for article 50 to be revoked

No, Labour hasn't shot itself in the foot. The tories have imposed this hell on us. Labour is simply refusing to dance to Johnson's tune re the timing of the GE. Johnson is a proven liar. A despicable man with no morals. Labour, the SNP and Lib Dems etc want to ensure that he cannot repeal the legislation just voted for if he were to win an election mid October.
I have no idea how this will turn out but at the moment, I am relieved that Labour etc won't agree to an election.

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