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StealthPolarBear · 06/09/2019 10:33

What now?

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StealthPolarBear · 07/09/2019 10:01

I say this over and over again but I just don't know what is coming next. I want this over with (preferably through revoke).
If we revoke I will plan an EU short break every year for the next 27 years

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MockersthefeMANist · 07/09/2019 16:12

Labour have succeeded in making No Deal illegal. There will be an election after Oct 31 when BJ is shown to have failed.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 16:18

Polls indicate that people fear Corbyn as PM more than they fear a no deal brexit.

If Johnson and Farage join forces and have a majority they can overturn any previously passed laws

Symptomless · 07/09/2019 16:19

Whatever happens, this Brexit thing will be the main issue for the foreseeable future. Next ge will be decided on Brexit, most of the future budget will be spent on Brexit. we're stuck in a limbo forever.

MockersthefeMANist · 07/09/2019 16:25

Brexit is not going away.

Any pact with Farage will split the Tory party and lose a lot of southern seats. It will wipe out the Scottish Tories.

bellinisurge · 07/09/2019 16:33

If Johnson and Faridge join forces, the Tory party is dead.

bellinisurge · 07/09/2019 16:34

No Deal is Not Brexit. Stop pretending that Anti-No Deal = Remain. It doesn't.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 16:36

What makes think Johnson and Farage would announce joining forces before a general election? Johnson might get a majority by himself. Farage is Johnsons backstop if a coalition is needed.

Once people have voted nothing to prevent any of the parties joining forces that were not announced prior to the vote

Bluntness100 · 07/09/2019 16:38

I don't know if that means he intends to resign and be famous for being the shortest lasting PM in history, or whether he intends to break the law

I think this is causing a lot of confusion as the media, or certain elements of the media are mis reporting.

The law says the government must revoke. It does not say Boris must. They are two very different things. Boris is not the government. He is the leader of the government.

Boris has three options.

He can send a minister or advisor to revoke if he chooses not to.

He can resign. The government will still send a minister or advisor to revoke if he does so.

He can't attempt to break the law (highly unlikely) and refuse to do it himself or send anyone to do it. Also irrelevant, as he would be removed from office, and yup you guessed it, within 48 hours an advisor or minister would be sent to revoke.

The issue here is what Boris will personally do. It impacts who our government will be, our prime minister, when and if there will be a general election.

It doesn't remotely impact on whether the no deal law will be implemented. That's a given assuming there is no agreement on a deal.

The other parties now have the majority and they have the power in parliament. They are using this power to their advantage by uniting.

They won't permit an election prior to brexit. They fear he will gain a majority and then change the law to permit no deal with that majority. He also has the popular vote right now and could take many seats off of them.

Post the eu summit on the 17th, if he doesn't get a deal, or if he revokes, or sends someone to, his popularity will dip. Hence the opposition all want an election after this. They don't want to risk loosing seats to him before that and him gaining power in parliament.

He can try to pass a law to have an election but this is hugely risky. As the remainers Will likely amend the date, make it November, and he is then legally bound to have the election then.

So the law is the government must seek an extension if there is no agreement. The government will do this. What Boris does is a different matter and impacts the future of this country in terms of who governs. It doesn't impact on whether the no deal legislation will be applied.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 16:39

Stop pretending that Anti-No Deal = Remain. It doesn't

Disagree. Further referendums, anti no deal are part of remain supporters way of edging to the final goal of no brexit

MockersthefeMANist · 07/09/2019 16:45

No Brexit is a legitimate democratic aim, provided it is endorsed by a popular vote, either a general election or a referendum.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 16:48

provided it is endorsed by a popular vote

Agreed, but can't work out why the anti Brexit opposition parties have refused a general election if they are confident that people have changed their minds about leaving the EU

NoWordForFluffy · 07/09/2019 17:11

Disagree. Further referendums, anti no deal are part of remain supporters way of edging to the final goal of no brexit

You didn't watch the parliamentary debate the other night then? If you had, you'd know you were wrong on this point (in relation to some MPs at least).

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 17:14

If you had, you'd know you were wrong on this point (in relation to some MPs at least)

Was referring to remain supporter voters, not MPs

NoWordForFluffy · 07/09/2019 17:17

But the voters aren't the ones sorting it. The MPs are, unless we get another vote in which we can decide.

Parker231 · 07/09/2019 17:18

The opposition parties won’t agree to a GE until the extension is in place and there is no risk of Johnson doing a no deal exit. Johnson isn’t trusted.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 17:29

If Johnson and Farage have a majority in the same region as that which voted leave they could overturn any previously passed laws.

Remember that EU must agree to any extension. If they do not then UK is out with no deal regardless of what UK law says.

When I say EU I mean all 27 EU members. Only takes one member to object.

NoWordForFluffy · 07/09/2019 17:31

Are you mansplaining the A50 process to us?

Parker231 · 07/09/2019 17:34

“There is absolutely no appetite in the EU to throw Britain off the Brexit cliff edge,” said one EU diplomat. “If the UK parliament were to ask for an extension to prevent a no-deal outcome, it would be hard to see how the EU27 could refuse that.”

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 17:40

So the EU are going to extend forever?

Parker231 · 07/09/2019 17:41

I’m hoping for revoking Article 50

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 17:52

I’m hoping for revoking Article 50

If that is what people vote for that's what should happen. Don't think parliament would do it by themselves.

Symptomless · 07/09/2019 17:54

I'm partially hoping EU will not grant extension. 3 months will solve nothing, just pushes the inevitable forwards. Either no extension or it has to be for 1 year minimum.

MysteryTripAgain · 07/09/2019 18:00

Considering that no progress has been made in 3 years, what difference will 1 more year make?

Bluntness100 · 07/09/2019 18:06

I'd be surprised if the eu grants three months, I suspect fhey will go for longer, probably June or there abouts 2020.if not at least April with an option to leave earlier if a deal agreed.

Three months is silly. The law says though that the eu can't suggest another date and the government has two days to accept it, assuming parliament doesn't reject it.

I strongly suspect they will go for a longer extension. It's just a judgement call on how long will be acceptable to our parliament. As they are in touch with many of our MPs, they will have a fair idea of what parliament will pass, as they will ask the question privately in advance and have probably already done so and are in discussions with each other quietly.