What would a 3 month extension achieve?

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As I understand it, MPs are hoping to fast-track a bill through parliament to try and force BoJo to ask for a 3 month extension if an agreement is not approved by 19
October

What on earth are MPs hoping to achieve in an additional 3 months? Surely it would just be prolonging the uncertainty? We can’t keep asking for extensions forever!

If the Johnson government is weak in a parliamentary sense (and every other) its attempt to push us over a cliff are illegitimate. In that there is no mandate to do so.
I am as sick of it all as the rest of us .
My increasingly feeble hope is that we get a consensus to protect GFA because DUP's stranglehold over the Tories becomes irrelevant . And sufficient numbers agree in Parliament that NI must be treated separately in order for us to leave.
I obviously also hope that despite the noise, a majority is actually shown for Revoke via a second referendum . But I know that is not the easy path either and would likely create more problems than it would solve.

“Surely it would just be prolonging the uncertainty?”

No deal itself propels us into enormous uncertainty - it’s no “clean break” and offers no clarity at all. While I agree the UK govt has not made any good use of the extra time already given, more time for a deal is not a stupid idea if the govt starts acting in good faith and actually tries to serve the country well by seeking a deal. I don’t want to leave but I REALLY don’t want to leave without a deal

It's a good idea IF this time they actually use the time to do something useful.
The last 6 months extension seemed to be used up with Easter break, leadership campaign and Summer break, leaving only 6 weeks to actually do anything.

Not sure I can do another three months extension. The country is falling apart. And everytime I go onto social media or read the news it just gets worse.

In any country with a sane government, it could lead to a deal or some alternative agreement, e.g. a second referendum for which each county in the UK decides whether they'd rather be in the EU or the "U"K. Thant won't happen though.

They'll keep going in circles and people will keep updating their stockpiles. It wouldn't surprise me if we keep doing that for a couple of years, until nobody remembers what the fuss was about, and they revoke.

The EU is already starting to watch the UK in the same way the Soviet Union was watched by the West. A potential crisis centre, ready to interfer whenever they felt the absolutely couldn't get out of doing "the right thing", whatever that may be.

I can't see that the EU would grant it anyway as we can't say anything concrete and constructive that we'd use it for. I thought they'd already said we could only have another extension for a change in government or a new deal to be put forward?

As wonderful lady said on brexit debate on chanel 4 last night, 'get on with it, if they were in business they would have been sacked by now, three years of nothing has come out of that parliament'.

Not verbatim

Disgraceful the pigs ear they have made of it. Disgraceful.

The cheek of wanting more time.
The problem is the public have lost total faith in parliament. I don't know what public servants like bercow think they are doing when they smirk and sneer and bend every sinew to twist their roles to their political views.

Goooood morning, going round in circles is what Blair etc wants
This is their plan, drag it out, make it seem impossible etc etc... Eventually it will go away... People get fed up...

However... I truly believe the eu is facing overwhelming problems and it won't go away because the next crisis, will very much remind us.. We are still thethered to this ailing beast.

And it is a dying ailing beast!!

If they had cancelled summer recess and worked through to thrash out a deal instead of swanning off on holiday, we could have been further forward. To be honest kicking it into the long grass seems sensible- there will be a GE next year if there isn't one in October and that could play out disastrously for Boris.

Absolutely nothing, say it again ...

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing

“If they had cancelled summer recess and worked through to thrash out a deal instead of swanning off on holiday, we could have been further forward.”

I’m not so sure about this - some MPs/ministers maybe, but I have several friends who are civil servants in Whitehall and they are exhausted and this would have affected their leave too. I am not completely disagreeing with you because it is so important, but I really feel for the civil servants who are not to blame for this mess but who are suffering

hersymphony I'm a civil servant in Whitehall. I understand your point but basically the prorogation is worse, normal business can't be done with no ministers to sign off, and we've lost half our teams to the Foreign Office.

Fair enough, I thought you were referring to the summer holidays

I was, but my point was that if they had worked through the summer they may not need the prorogation, hence we wouldn't be as stressed at work having spent 6 weeks Minister-free, with the prospect of another 5 or so weeks where we can't progress our work. Most civil servants aren't tied to summer recess for taking annual leave.

Food and medicine.

My friends all have school-age children so they are a little tied. But I see your point.

I’m only going by what they said themselves - at one point there was talk of recess being cancelled and they were worried about holidays and childcare

another extension will achieve nothing positive

As wonderful lady said on brexit debate on chanel 4 last night, 'get on with it, if they were in business they would have been sacked by now, three years of nothing has come out of that parliament'.

I didn't see the debate, but people like that always strike me as dim-witted. Get on with what? This is the Brexit dilemma. No plan means nothing can be 'got on with'. 'People in business' probably wouldn't have been that stupid in the first place... as someone else said, Leavers voted for a departure, not a destination. And now here they are, whining about not being where they want to be.

I don't know what public servants like bercow think they are doing when they smirk and sneer and bend every sinew to twist their roles to their political views.

LOL. I think Johnson is the one to watch in terms of smirking and sneering and general under-handedness.

Well it will achieve something positive, if that three months gives you residency/citizenship rights. With every little extension, another group of EU citizens in the UK and vice versa obtain rights. It's worth it for that reason alone.

another extension will achieve nothing positive
Neither will a no-deal Brexit.

A no deal Brexit is just the beginning of an even more thorny negotiation, people don't seem to realise it's not an end at all

Another 3 months of remainers causing chaos in the hope that leavers will just give up. They wont, we will be back here again with leavers demanding no deal Brexit is stopped and another extension.

I think there will be an election next month. A Boris win means we get out of the EU. A Corbyn win, Brexit cancelled in bumbling fashion and a rise in the Farage party with a massive fightback to escape the EU.

A hung parliament and we are back to square one arguing about an extension.

It’s down to leavers that we haven’t left yet, but by all means cling to that false feeling of being the underdog if it’s what gets you through

A 3 month extension would achieve nothing but further disruption. EU would probably refuse and with good reason as well.