To be terrified of no deal Brexit

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Having just watched the headlines, it really does seem that Boris is hellbent on taking us out with no deal. The fact he’s thrown down the gauntlet to the EU stating that he won’t come to the table unless they drop the backstop - well of course they’re not going to do that, and Boris won’t back down, so we will be leaving with no deal.

What do you think will be the repercussions of this? I’m terrified I’m going to lose my job and my home. If I’m worried then I can’t imagine what people reliant on various meds are going through.

I think I might stop watching the news as it just makes me anxious.

Forgive me intheheatoflisbon as an educated person I should be aware of that still the union desides what you all get to do.

I guess it won't give me credit, if I tell you that we (as a country) call all of you England, we are taught this in school and don't differentiate unless someone tells us to or we talk of Scotland specifically.

bumblebeejockstrap thanks, and to be fair I've agreed with everything else you've had to say

Aye I know Britain and England are used interchangeably by loads of countries (the English media are the worst for it!!!) but it just riles me.

Especially when it comes to being judged as leavers, we didn't vote for that and have been told often enough by Westminster that that doesn't matter, we're in the union and that's that.

The last independence referendum was lost on the back of them guaranteeing a no to independence was the only guaranteed way to remain in the EU. So a lot of Scots are sore at the way things have turned out.

Once we're independent there won't be any confusion!

I genuinely believe that this dismissal of the other nations within the union, and the hubris and arrogance that has been shown to us will be the break up of the UK.

The mood is definitely pro EU/anti Westminster in Scotland and climbing!

Our FM has made it clear we need and welcome EU migrants, and that we want those already here to feel wanted and part of Scotland. Because we recognise the need for a diverse society to be progressive.

It hurts my heart that this isn't known in the EU, we've been trying really hard to shout loud enough!

I spent my year in France explaining that, "Je suis ecossaise et britannique. Je ne suis pas anglaise."

If they continued, I threatened to call them Belgian

If they continued, I threatened to call them Belgian

Usually works

Always remember my dad determinedly sticking the Ecosse sticker on the car before we got on the ferry and my Mum eyerolling and saying that we had the GB one! Aye we know, but belt and braces y'know?

I've noticed the remain/identity angle coming from many of the Scots posting. Could the lack of identity from English leavers be a cause for them voting the way they did, maybe as a means of getting their identity back?

We have a saltire on our number plate (above the EU stars ), as well as an Ecosse sticker

Jason I believe in Devolution. I think that we should also have had regional assemblies in england.

If people did not feel so remote from Westminster and if we had decisions made at regional level then it would help imo.

Doesn’t explain Wales.........

Oh and I am a Scot who voted for Devolution hit have spent the last number of years living in England.

I think that we should also have had regional assemblies in england.

Not that it's any of my business but I know that my northern and southern English friends (two large groups of 20+ each) would agree with this.

prettybird I want one of them on my car now! Stars and all!

Ha, had to look that up prettybird I have lived in the Netherlands (we call it Holland) near the Belgian border, they are very divided (French or Dutch speaking) guess it would be a giant insult for the French to be compared to them .

We don't have a union here, but are still divided (in our own minds) by geography, guess we are all like that. But wouldn't it be lovely if we looked at what we have in common rather than what divide us.

But wouldn't it be lovely if we looked at what we have in common rather than what divide us.

I did, when I voted to remain.

Many of us did.

It saddens me that everyone in the UK is seen in the same group as Farage and Johnson. It couldn't be further from the truth.

intheheatoflisbon

Sadly those two take up a lot of space in the media. As have demonstrating brexiteers.

Sadly those two take up a lot of space in the media. As have demonstrating brexiteers.

Don't we know it

I hoped that the increase in SNP MEPs would mean that we'd be heard in Europe. I still hope that, because we've never been supportive of Brexit. We never wanted it and we voted, strongly, against it.

It was a bigger majority than the Indy ref, and that should speak volumes.

I loathe Farage, Johnson, Rees-Mogg and the rest of them. They don't speak for me or my family, and they don't speak for my country.

It saddens me that everyone in the UK is seen in the same group as Farage and Johnson. It couldn't be further from the truth.

There is so much insight in what you’ve written there from quite a few angles, but overwhelmingly I feel sadness too

Ahh you know the way media works, the more outrageous the more interesting for them. It also gives people in other countries the chance to tut and think you are crazy and they feel a little better about their own country's shenanigans. That is for people who doesn't educate themselves on the issues. Sadly I think this reaction goes for all countries.

But I also think that those of us who have followed you through this, think that the Scottish people has been had soo badly. It must really hurt.

Yet Scottish or English, I still don't understand your politics. You (some of you) just elected Boris johnson 😮.

You (some of you) just elected Boris johnson

Aye I haven't a clue how the fuck that happened.

It's awful.

Found this from April - Irish Times;

"Many Border checks and procedures after a no-deal Brexit could be done remotely, Taoiseach Leo Varadkar has said, but animal checks can only be done physically by vets."

"Mr Varadkar said the Government will propose that these checks take place at Northern ports on animals arriving from the UK but that would require the British government to co-operate.He said the collection of tariffs and customs duties could be administered either online or through tax offices."

"Senior sources hinted that discussions with the European Commission on no-deal preparations were more advanced than the Government has indicated, though the Government is remaining evasive in public."

"Two sources stressed the need to keep the Border discussions behind closed doors as any suggestion that checks could be avoided entirely would allow Brexiteers to claim that there was no need for the backstop, even though the EU remains completely committed to its retention."

"However, Mr Varadkar said there were “reasonable questions” about how Ireland would protect the single market."

"A senior Government source said that if there is a no-deal Brexit there will be “factory checks, port checks, checks as far away from border as possible”

www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/many-border-checks-could-be-done-remotely-if-needed-says-varadkar-1.3848579

Intheheat,
Yes, I was one of those that elected him.
I believe he will get us out of the EU and will be a very good PM.

cobbersulphate this is not meant to be goady, I have asked this several times over the last couple of years, haven't got an answer yet. Could you please tell me what you consider advantages with a no deal, for you personally and for your country?

bumblebee You'll be waiting another couple of years and some before Copper will justify his/her views.

We now have DEFRA setting aside £500m to buy up unsold UK Lamb....Intervention Board anyone?

What a fucked up way to run a country that cannot fix its own roads or provide bursaries for nurses at Uni but so long as we leave the hated EU and deport foreigners, who cares?

For information, more people in Scotland voted leave in 2016 than voted for the SNP in the 2017 election!!
The SNP certainly do not speak for everyone in Scotland. It's said that the SNP slogan of 'Independence in Europe' is one of the reasons so many SNP voters blindly voted remain.
If you take out the Scottish votes in the referendum. The rest of the UK voted 53% leave 47% remain.
NS will do what ever she can to get independence and Brexit is her one great chance. She is hated by many people in Scotland as is the SNP and their bigoted anti English rhetoric.
The fact that we now have Boris as PM plays right into their hands, he is the architype English man they love to hate.

Bumblebee,
I much prefer a deal to a no deal but a no deal is preferable to staying in the EU. Most things are preferable to that.

However, I want our Uk courts to be final arbiters of justice here not the ECJ. I think laws should be made and upheld here.

I don't want us to be part of the proposed EU army
I think the EU waste money on moving their Parliament and on the salaries of their president, their commissioners and their building.
I prefer our money to be spent here on things decided by our government which is elected by us.
I know my MP. I can go and see her at her surgeries and we, her constituents can now get rid of her if we want. I cannot do that with an MEP.
I want an immigration system based on the needs of our employment needs. I disagree with freedom of movement.
These will be achieved by leaving the EU.

coppersulphate i can't say I agree, but thank you very much for telling me this, I know it can't be easy sharing this here.

I want our Uk courts to be final arbiters of justice here not the ECJ
The ECJ remit/scope is primarily associated with standards et al necessary to support free trade and the umpteen multinational agencies easa, ema, eit, efsa etc. This represents a tiny fraction of the legislative scope that remains with the UK parliament

Yes, exiting this lot removes the remit of the ECJ in these areas - but as soon as we sign a free trade deal with anyone we will cede sovereignty again - there always has to be an agreed arbiter in any deal and it won't always be the UK courts.

Your use of the word 'justice' actually suggests you are concerned about the ECHR - but then you knew that was nothing to do with the EU didn't you?