Westminstenders: The Imperial March

[RedToothBrush]

There are many ways to enforce power indirectly using privilege. Jacob Rees Mogg knows every trick in the book and dresses it up as respectability rather than a subtle form or intimidation and deliberate exclusion.

It's not the stuff 'of the people'.

Meanwhile the newly crowned PM, is making rather a bug deal of how he is the man 'of the people', here to serve them and to deliver their will.

There's a big theme here about presenting as 'of the people' whilst simultaneously serving the interests of the elite and reestablishing its power over the people.

It's a theme that is set to run for some time, and is entrenched in Trumpism too.

This shift in power is particularly harmful to women it must be noted.

'Strong and stable' was 'weak and wobbly' and we should be mindful that in the era of reversed spin, what 'of the people' signifies.

We've long known about the authoritarianism at the heart of leaving thinking. It's only now that it's finally going to start stomping it's feet all over our freedoms and power.

The road back will be a long and hard one because we failed to spot the threat and the dangers of it.

[BigChocFrenzy]

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eureferendumm2016/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

[Peregrina]

May's decisions haven't resulted in deaths? Just because they are not deaths caused by war doesn't mean the people are less dead.

[DarkAtEndOfTunnel]

I think you're right. I was kind of hoping some of you clever people might have some reassurance of the opposite I guess . Who will we be at war against? It's already been undeclared war against women, the disabled, the poor and immigrants for a long time. Our traditional opponents are the French, so they might be the first stop for a party that's standing for traditional values. There's already been conflicts.

[DarkAtEndOfTunnel]

(that was to DGR btw)

[NoWordForFluffy]

PMK. Thanks, Red.

[JustAnotherPoster00]

May's decisions haven't resulted in deaths? Just because they are not deaths caused by war doesn't mean the people are less dead.

Its one of the main reasons that I support the Labour party I honestly dont think I'll survive another 5 years with all the cuts to NHS mental health, universal credit and now no deal brexit, I know Labours brexit position was shit and tbh the newest position of guaranteed PV and a remain stand against a Tory Deal (I do believe it will shift again to remain and reform) isnt much better especially this late in the game but if we did Brexit theres more of a chance that I'll get fucked less hard by those in power because I honestly cant take much more

[DGRossetti]

May's decisions haven't resulted in deaths? Just because they are not deaths caused by war doesn't mean the people are less dead.

More leaver logic ?

I didn't say May wasn't responsible for innocent deaths, did I ? No that she was less culpable. But Blairs blood soaked hands are out of her league.

[Iambuffy]

For those more knowledgeable than me....

Assuming catastrophic no deal brexit (pretty likely I'd say...) then is it best to move our savings to euros??
(We have a euro account)
We've really tried hard to save. I'd hate it to be wiped out because of the tory implosion :(
I'm now buying stuff for birthdays and xmas.
We are doing the last bits of decorating that need doing.
I've stocked up on 2nd hand books and things like perfume and toiletries.
There just won't be any money left for things like that I don't think.
No idea what to do about meds. I could have a device inserted which will last for 5 years. No idea after that. Hopefully won't need it!
I don't really know what else to do...
:(

[BigChocFrenzy]

Corbyn still clear as mud
likely to be distrusted by both Leavers and Remainers:

From that Graun link:

"He said Labour would campaign for a second referendum and to remain in the EU if Johnson was proposing a no-deal Brexit.

But Corbyn said the party was not necessarily in favour of remaining in the EU if Labour could negotiate its own Brexit deal.

Asked personally whether he would prefer to remain in the EU or to leave with a Labour-backed deal, Corbyn declined to make a choice."

[BigChocFrenzy]

However, he is dim and lazy, but not remotely as sinister as BJ and the gang,
if it is a straight choice

[Iambuffy]

Oh he is such a useless fucker

[Piggywaspushed]

I am somewhat ashamed to admit that the vile Dorries is my MP. She does not live in the constituency mind. She was a nurse once, hence her validity in her new role.Or that is what they will say.

[DarkAtEndOfTunnel]

Corbyn's talking about maybe a VoNC in September. It'll be too late by then. He's a useless disappointment.

Am I right in thinking that if the Government settles absolutely on no-deal Brexit, they can declare it before the Oct 31st deadline?

[tobee]

Kind of a dum question but what do you think is counted as life saving meds?

Presumably non life saving is paracetamol, ibuprofen type stuff?

Life saving world be cancer meds, transplant patients anti rejection drugs?

But what about preventative like diabetes drugs or anti hypertensive drugs?

Or quality of life drugs?

Mental health drugs?

I'm sure I've left things out.

[NoWordForFluffy]

I don't think they'd do that, Dark, as they couldn't then blame somebody else for if happening. And that's what they'll want / need to do if it comes to it (I've no idea if it can actually be done).

[Hazardtired]

Just To say i understand things are bad right now healthcare/benefits wise is to underestimate the size of the fucking a lot of us have been through! There's no words really is there? There's the bigger fucks that you can point out to people and say look bad and then there's all the micro ones and the small ones and the middle sized ones that stack up. Hold on as tight as you can and for what it's worth your not alone ❤

Despite the pessimism atm it really ent over til it's over. And I don't think your wrong, labour would be better than this, a second ref should just tip to remain imo. It's why I'm soo frustrated just wanna push everyone over the line into doing.

[Peregrina]

More leaver logic ?

Me a Leaver. DGR?!!!!

I don't doubt that Blair has more blood on his hands, but May's behaviour has led to slower, insidious deaths.

[Hazardtired]

tobe been asking that for a year no idea, no Dr knows, no MP knows.

[BigChocFrenzy]

tobee The reports I've read are that the govt will prioritise life-saving and essential meds
when organising keeping the Calais-Dover traffic flowing

So drugs for chemo, CVD, kidney / liver disease, T2, BP, severe depression ...... epipens ......

Maybe not the quality of life drugs, which might include calpol, paracetamol, ibuprofen etc
if these are produced abroad

It might be, even with the life-saving and essential drugs & devices that doctors would be instructed to prescribe alternatives, if these are produced within the UK

That could be a problem for patients, but the govt planners / media / Brexiters might demand they just suck it up.

[tobee]

Thanks for your replies Hazard and BigChoc.

[SwedishEdith]

Of course, he'll never come out against Leave (because he's dug himself in) but...interesting...to see Pete North actually retweeting the Lib Dems.

‏Pete North
@PeteNorth303

This is a US agenda that CATO Institute is pushing which is why the IEA London dicksucks are pushing it which is why Boris Johnson is spouting it. To complete the picture it just needs a Spiked article in favour of it. The entire Tory disinformation network serves US lobbyists.

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For all I actually know about it, it might actually be a good move (in isolation) but the Brexit propaganda wing, BrexitCentral etc, is not pushing this as a clesr Brexit advantage. Their lobbyists sponsors can only move in if we break entirely out of the EU regulatory ecosystem.
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On a quid for quid basis that's not remotely in the interests of the UK. Even if an FTA doubled our trade with the USA it wouldn't replace the single market. So I do question their loyalties and their sincerity. If Matt Ridley is pushing it there's no way it's kosher.‏

There's a few articles pushing this, all of which are in some way connected to Washington lobbyists/think tanks via the author/proprietor - and you'll see the Spectator run it too if it hasn't already. As usual they won't be telling the whole truth.

I am not shocked to learn the Speccie has been pushing this agenda from the beginning. They who tell us we have nothing to fear from no deal. [Links to a Spectator article here].

[JustAnotherPoster00]

Asked personally whether he would prefer to remain in the EU or to leave with a Labour-backed deal, Corbyn declined to make a choice.

He's also made it clear that even with a Labour deal negotiated it goes back to the people before parliament will act

[JustAnotherPoster00]

He's also made it clear

I feel unclean now lol

[prettybird]

The fact that Ruth Davidson doesn't support No Deal means sweet Fuck All as she is neither an MP, nor is she a member of the Scottish Government and despite her big mouth, will never, ever be FM

[Hazardtired]

tobe Sorry just starting DP's meds so half distracted and can't link but...

Epilepsy meds and insulin are getting the most air time so to speak in terms of Westminster talk and the businesses which are doing the stocking. Epilepsy patients are brand specific so can't take generics.

Medications act was introduced largely for brexit so pharmacies can prescribe like for like in the event of shortages....it's controversial and last I know is the SNP and a few labour and fewer still Tory MPs were trying to amend or recall the act for one reason or another.

Cancer patients already suffering with funding for unusal treatments being cut while resources are used for stockpiling.

The independent from what I've seen is covering the meds situation the most. James Moore (I think) is a jounro with diabetes type 1 and he's been quite on it.