Westminstenders: The Imperial March

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There are many ways to enforce power indirectly using privilege. Jacob Rees Mogg knows every trick in the book and dresses it up as respectability rather than a subtle form or intimidation and deliberate exclusion.

It's not the stuff 'of the people'.

Meanwhile the newly crowned PM, is making rather a bug deal of how he is the man 'of the people', here to serve them and to deliver their will.

There's a big theme here about presenting as 'of the people' whilst simultaneously serving the interests of the elite and reestablishing its power over the people.

It's a theme that is set to run for some time, and is entrenched in Trumpism too.

This shift in power is particularly harmful to women it must be noted.

'Strong and stable' was 'weak and wobbly' and we should be mindful that in the era of reversed spin, what 'of the people' signifies.

We've long known about the authoritarianism at the heart of leaving thinking. It's only now that it's finally going to start stomping it's feet all over our freedoms and power.

The road back will be a long and hard one because we failed to spot the threat and the dangers of it.

@joannacuppa i was thinking of starting a medication brexit thread detailing the screw up and then it can evolve into post brexit trade drugs thread (joke MNHQ I would never use MN for drugs trade...now reddit on the other hand )

Well done on the stockpiling its great you've got a buffer. We were okay for the last exit date since then doses have been altered, a new med has been chucked in and we're waiting on a different specialist for their opinion and probable new meds. Emergency meds (DP has different sets of drugs and doses as he varies) we have back ups of and I think that's about as best as we can do realistically atm.

PSA have said if their profits are hit by Brexit they will move production o Vauxhall cars from Ellesmere Port to Southern Europe. That's 3500 direct jobs going, with probably another 25000 in the supply chain going too.

Brexit really is the biggest FUCK YOU to ordinary people sold to us as 'our decision' ever.

That is all you can do, Hazard. It's so frustrating isn't it? I dont care about me, but on the impact on my partner and daughter. It's truly horrible.

I think a thread might be a good idea. I can swap tramadol, naproxen and pregabilin for chocolate! 😀

Car industry is suffering all over. Brexit is just an excuse.

Can't wait for no deal.

Oh hey Janista! Are you the same Janista I remember from the recent Wanted Down Under thread who's been living in Australia for years?

Yes, I am allowed an opinion though, surely regardless of where I live. And a vote too and will gladly vote for Boris and no deal at the next election if needed.

Yes, I am allowed an opinion though, surely regardless of where I live.

Some are allowed opinions and votes and others are not. A person living on the other side of the world in Australia can have a vote about U.K. affairs. We all agree that is right, despite the fact that Brexit is peripheral to the Australian economy. Their biggest trading partners are China (29.2% of total Australian exports), Japan (10.3%), South Korea, India, New Zealand etc.

By contrast as a reminder the following were not allowed a vote:

•The EU citizens living in Britain were not able to vote in the ref at all, although they are in local elections.

•The EU referendum Act expressly banned 16- and 17-year-olds voting in the ref- yet Tory members of this age were entitled to vote and choose the Prime Minister.

•UK nationals resident in the EU for 15 years or more (who are hugely affected) were not eligible to vote, despite express promises from the Conservative party chairman, Grant Shapps, in 2014 that they would be able to. He said:
“If the Conservative party wins the next general election, we will remove this cap [on the number of years a person can live abroad before losing voting rights] and extend it to a full right as a British citizen to vote in British elections for life,” This promise was broken.

Just one of the many inequities and broken promises in the steps to the ERG coup de deceit.

www.bbc.com/news/business-49156403

If this has already been posted, apologies.

The pound sank to a 28-month low against the dollar as Boris Johnson's government toughened its rhetoric on Brexit.

Sterling dipped 1.1% to $1.2242 and €1.1004 respectively.

The currency could fall further, according to analysts at ING Group, as traders appear to have been betting on a last-minute deal being reached.

Many business lobby groups have asked that no-deal be withdrawn as an option to keep investment flowing into the UK.

The pound dropped after "the events over the weekend, where the current stance of the new government became clear", said Petr Krpata, a currency strategist at ING Group.

Somewhere, there are people Brexit promoter Crispin Odey and probably a few other hedge fund owners rubbing their grubby hands together and chortling about shorting Sterling.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-18/brexiteer-odey-renews-hedge-fund-s-reviled-bet-on-pound-plunging

Wow! I didn't realise Janista wasn't even in tbe UK. Kinda like me supporting Trump but then not actually having to live in Trump's America (although much of my family does).
You can have all the opinions you like, Janista but, as you don't live here the outcome of No Deal won't affect you. It's currently tbe start of the working day in the UK, what time is it with you?

My late dad would have had a very rude and politically incorrect comment to janista...he’d have said something along the line of “its like playing gay with somebody else’s bum” (difficult to translate).

JoannaCuppa

So sorry that you’re feeling like this. I raised the exact same point a few weeks ago and everyone was understanding and kind. I don’t think people sometimes realise the different impact of presenting something as fact, rather than the opinion that it actually is. Hopefully posters will be more considerate, as I’m sure that you and I are not the only readers being affected by this kind of talk.

It's late afternoon here.

although I live in Australia I am a frequent visitor to the uk and engaged with uk politics and family connections. I have just as much right to opinions and to vote at the moment as someone who lives in Britain.

It's sad that Brexit has divided people. more people should instead respect the referendum result, get behind and support the country and be positive .

the self confidence to get through this change which the majority voted for.

The doommongers and whingers should be more positive about brexit and set themselves up to take advantage of all the opportunities this massive change will bring.

Instead of talking about stockpiling food and medicines - it's so hysterical and ridiculous nonsense.

Why aren't you moving back then Janista to take advantage of all the wonderful opportunities?

When I see people doing that I might begin to believe them.

@SwedishEdith, YES! That's the twat.

Come back then @Janista .

I find it difficult to be positive about something I didn't vote for, which has already done significant damage to the economy, will be disasterous for the UK for decades to come. Please share the positives I need cheering up.

Yes, I am allowed an opinion though, surely regardless of where I live. And a vote too and will gladly vote for Boris and no deal at the next election if needed

I've always suspected that a major proportion of the majority in the referendum came from Brits living outside the EU who decided to mess it up for the rest of us. You can't find out because the votes were counted as part of the constituency in the UK, but anyway, thanks. You'll probably never come back to the UK (and certainly won't now) so why mess things up that don't involve you?

Instead of talking about stockpiling food and medicines - it's so hysterical and ridiculous nonsense

You are poorly informed. It's a pity that people don't do research before they put a cross in a box on a ballot paper, too.

You should have a vote because you visit the UK ? I visit Italy and France fairly frequently, I am very interested in how those countries are run. Should I have a vote ?

@QueenOfThorns thank you. I don't think people realise either. I don't think it is done through any malice, just thoughtlessness coupled with a huge desire to be able to say "see, I was right, I saw it coming".

@Janista

The doommongers and whingers should be more positive about brexit and set themselves up to take advantage of all the opportunities this massive change will bring

Instead of talking about stockpiling food and medicines - it's so hysterical and ridiculous nonsense

I have already said on this thread that presenting opinion as fact is unhelpful. However, the stuff you have mentionned IS fact. THAT scary shit is real. The government have confirmed it.

Are you actually living under a(yres) rock?

So positive thinking will see us through, will it?
Ffs.
I'll keep researching, reading and making plans I think.

I wonder if Janista thinks EU citizens who live here should have been allowed to vote?

Re why the trade deficit will increase, it will also increase because not only will it be more difficult for UK exporters to export but also the Government has already announced that many tariffs for imports will be set temporarily to zero - meaning that provided they can get through the queues at the ports , the UK will be open tariff free to the entire world

Can't wait for no deal.

Sorry janista but you shouldn't say that if you have no skin in the game and will only watch the disaster from afar!
It's like those obscene disaster zone tourists who get a thrill out of visiting a destroyed area and then fuck off back to their home comforts.