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Westminstenders: It couldn't get any worse... Until today

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RedToothBrush · 09/07/2019 22:02

We are trapped in the tailspin of the end of the UK. Firmly headed downward and getting more and more frenzied and desperate.

Even the most sensible of types like David Allen Green have finally noticed that Brexit isn't about leaving the EU it's about the frenzied and wilful destruction of our state instutions and structure. The collapse of the civil service, of our justice system, our democratic institutions and social order. All in the name of rule Britannia, a warped sense of taking back control to preserve an ideal that never existed and an idea of sovereignity that simply was a fantasy.

We move ever closer to Johnson becoming Prime Minister and a life under President Trump.

Joy.

Ode to Joy really isn't that bad.

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ChiaraRimini · 17/07/2019 13:13

The Tories think that Corbyn is a campaigning gift to them. I'd be more worried about their vote being split by Brexit party and Lib Dem's if I were them TBH.

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 13:29

Here's a doozy ....

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-leadership-under16s-voting-boris-johnson-hypocrisy-a9007851.html

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Tory party lets 15-year-olds vote for next PM despite opposing 16-year-olds voting in general election
Rob Merrick Deputy Political Editor @Rob_Merrick
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Under-18s are helping to pick the next Tory leader and prime minister, despite the party refusing to let them vote in general elections, sparking accusations of hypocrisy.

Labour and the Liberal Democrats have attacked the Conservatives for allowing youngsters as young as 15 to take part in the leadership race – while refusing to lower the voting age for the public to 16.

Cat Smith, Labour's voter engagement spokeswoman, told the Politics Home website: “It is hypocrisy for the Tory government to claim 16- and 17-year-olds aren’t mature enough to vote in elections, but not apply this rule to its own leadership contest.
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“If young Tories can be trusted to choose our next prime minister, then there is no logical reason why all 16- and 17-year-olds can’t have their say in the future of their country in a general election.

And Layla Moran, the Lib Dems' spokeswoman for young people, said: “The Tories will allow under-18s to choose the next prime minister, but they won’t allow them to choose their government or their own MP or whether or not they wanted to remain or leave the EU.”

“Younger people deserve a chance to have a say in their futures and to shape our society. They shouldn’t only be allowed to vote for Jeremy Hunt or Boris Johnson.”

The Conservatives offer membership to people aged under 23 for just £5 a year – with “full voting rights” given to any members aged 15 or over.

And Mr Hunt's campaign meanwhile published a video featuring a 17-year-old Conservative member who had cast his vote in the leadership race to “battle that stereotype that our age group are uninformed”.

A string of local Tory websites say that there is “no upper or lower age limit on membership, although children under the age of 15 cannot be enrolled as full voting members”.

A cross-party bill to lower the UK voting age failed in the Commons in 2017 after Tory MPs were accused of talking it out and successive Conservative prime ministers have spoken out against change.

That year, Theresa May said: “You have to pick a point at which you think it is right for the voting age to be. I continue to think it is right for it to be 18.”

And, last year, her de-facto deputy, David Lidington, told MPs that under-18s lacked the “maturity and responsibility” required to vote.

Critics have pointed out that teenagers overwhelmingly oppose the Conservatives – particularly since the Brexit referendum.

In Scotland, 16- and 17-year olds are able to vote in local and Scottish parliamentary elections, having been first given the chance to cast their ballots in the 2014 independence referendum.

Oakenbeach · 17/07/2019 13:47

I think the LP will replace Corbyn as soon as an election is in the offing. As I've said before there's a honeymoon period when some one new comes along.

They’re far too late for that! A GE is in the offing now... They can’t wait until one is announced, or even if one seems imminent, as any leadership election would take a couple of months, and besides, it would be very divisive. If they were going to do this, they should have struck when TM announced she was stepping down.

Oakenbeach · 17/07/2019 13:51

The Tories think that Corbyn is a campaigning gift to them. I'd be more worried about their vote being split by Brexit party and Lib Dem's if I were them TBH.

Exactly... It should be obvious to those Remainer Tory MPs who are shrinking back from a VONC due to the risk of Corbyn getting in, that Corbyn will be far more likely to win power in a post-no-deal Brexit world than before it!

jasjas1973 · 17/07/2019 14:09

I'd be careful about writing Corbyn off, Labour did very well in 2017, considerably better than (the more centre) Miliband in 2015.

Imho it makes little difference who Labour have, the media will try every trick in the book to destroy him/her, paint them out as marxist, incompetent, tax raisers, anti aspiration etc etc even how they eat food.

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 17/07/2019 14:14

I The Tories think that Corbyn is a campaigning gift to them^

Corbyn is a gift to the Tories, at least amongst the middle class Tories that I know. They can’t defend voting Tory other than to spout fears of a Corbyn government.
Whether or not they would still vote Tory of a sane Labour Leader was at the helm I’ve no idea.

tobee · 17/07/2019 14:28

Just in the middle of catching up on the thread. Did anyone read Beth Rigby's article on Sky News app? One of her speculations is Johnson might make Raab chancellor. ShockShockShock

But, if we're going to be fucked, we might as well be well and truly fucked!

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 14:33

One of her speculations is Johnson might make Raab chancellor.

depends how much freedom a Boris leader of the Tories will have ? It's going to be like the worst game of Ker-plunk! or Buckaroo ever.

For all the noise, the harsh reality is going to be Boris PM (and that's assuming he does actually get appointed PM ...) is going to be constrained in all sorts of ways compared to his predecessor. The only certainty is it will be impossible to please all of the Tories all of the Time, and because the Tory party has become a chaotic entity, it's pointless trying to predict where the fault lines will emerge. And since it's all we have, I intend to enjoy every minute of the slow burn farce.

tobee · 17/07/2019 14:47

To those dreaming of Corbyn resigning/being kicked out, hasn't the party purged the sensible ones and Momentumised itself so that either won't happen or he'll be replaced by another equally inept fool Rebecca Long Bailey ?

frozendaisy · 17/07/2019 14:48

On a positive President Trump can't stay in power forever.

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 14:53

On a positive President Trump can't stay in power forever.

Says who ? Health and elections permitting, the only thing that would be a barrier is the constitution. And while it's "too hard" to consider changing the second amendment, I bet there are all sorts of bigly reasons to change the 22nd.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/07/2019 14:58

"The predominant view seems to be that a no deal Brexit is more likely than any kind of deal or a referendum - because the Tory party is hell-bent on crashing out. The EU sees itself as powerlesss to prevent this outcome.*

@red That's been the view in Germany for some months now, both political analysts I've read
and - surprisingly well-informed - my ordinary social circle, work, gym etc.

Fatalism.
The lunatics have taken over the UK asylum and rEU can only watch helplessly as the asylum burns

BigChocFrenzy · 17/07/2019 15:01

DG I keep reading how he is trying to set up a "dynasty"
Hence his daughter's inappropriate attendances at international meetings

BigChocFrenzy · 17/07/2019 15:05

It is unlikely that Corbyn can be removed, too difficult
He might leave voluntarily if the Tories win the next GE - let his successor do the boring, hard work of rebuildng

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 15:18

DG I keep reading how he is trying to set up a "dynasty"

Well, I for one have no intention whatsoever of telling the useless fuckwit what has usually happened in history to people who have tried that. He can find out himself - or his offspring can.

It was Richard Cromwell that single-handedly managed to restore the Monarchy to Britain ....

1tisILeClerc · 17/07/2019 15:29

{surprisingly well-informed - my ordinary social circle, work, gym etc.}

This ought to scare the crap out of the UK, that relatively 'casual Germans in the street' have a better grasp of how far down the toilet the UK has gone, compared to the HoC and UK public.

Outsomnia · 17/07/2019 15:36

Pity is, if they go No Deal to stick it to the EU, they will destroy many of their neighbours in the process. ROI being one of them. But they don't care do they?

Brexit is a cult now, not even a religion. Any diversion from that is anathema.

tobee · 17/07/2019 15:56

Just pondering how much the national newspapers still influence the population. Presumably large numbers of older people (60 plus?) still get most of the news through the printed press, radio and tv? Especially Tory members? The large majority have been drip feeding euro scepticism for as long as I can remember.

Anyone know the current stats as to how that demographic gets their news?

ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 17/07/2019 16:05

It is unlikely that Corbyn can be removed, too difficult

What if he loses support from those most loyal to him such as Diane Abbot? I just don’t understand how he’s still clinging on.

His personal approval ratings are dire. Labour had a shocker in both the local and the EU elections.
Their polling is on the floor.
He’s failed miserably over anti-semitism

How can he still be there? Angry Sorry I went a bit ranty.

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 16:14

Once again, it's women that benefit from Human Rights legislation ...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-49017783

A woman has won the right to her late partner's military pension in a landmark ruling for unmarried couples.

Air Commodore Christopher Green had been in a relationship with Jane Langford, 72, for 15 years when he died unexpectedly in 2011.

The RAF pension scheme allows unmarried partners of officers to receive their pension if they die.

But Ms Langford was disqualified because she had not formally dissolved her marriage to her husband.

On Wednesday the Court of Appeal unanimously held that this rule breached Ms Langford's human rights, in a move that is likely to have far-reaching consequences for other unmarried couples in the public sector.

(contd)

Iambuffy · 17/07/2019 16:24

house prices fall at fastest rate in a decade

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 16:26

house prices fall at fastest rate in a decade

I wonder if Daily Mail readers are quite so Brexity now ?

Oakenbeach · 17/07/2019 16:28

Says who ? Health and elections permitting, the only thing that would be a barrier is the constitution. And while it's "too hard" to consider changing the second amendment, I bet there are all sorts of bigly reasons to change the 22nd.

Luckily constitutional change in the USA requires a two-thirds majority in Congress, and its a pretty safe bet that won’t happen... If only the UK constitution worked similarly and we might not have this Brexit shitstorm!

1tisILeClerc · 17/07/2019 16:36

{I wonder if Daily Mail readers are quite so Brexity now ?}

The comments sections of Daily Mail and Express are like a large dose of laxatives.

DGRossetti · 17/07/2019 16:38

By the way, that "London.com" website ... it's not just me, is it. The correct word is "curated" ? (Website title - top of Browser)

In a world of useless spearchuckers, I try to remain relaxed about mistakes in spelling and grammar, but for a website that is supposed to be selling London, that is positively cringeworthy ....