No Deal supporters? Can you see any downsides? If so, why are these outweighed by the upsides.

[bellinisurge]

Genuine question. I was prepared to accept WA but that was apparently not sufficient. So, why is No Deal better?

I wonder if Rees-Mogg would be entitled to an Irish passport? If not, he's wealthy enough to buy a Maltese one.

full benefits. He didn't mention hardship (in that quote).

That's a little hair splitting Megan, because we were promised that it would all be so easy with the implication that the benefits would be there immediately.

Philip Hammond was more correct when he said that no one voted to be poorer. It might have been better expressed as no one thought they were voting to be poorer, because in practice they were voting for a pig in a poke, and Leave was undefined. Those voting for more money for the NHS were quickly disabused.

"full benefits. He didn't mention hardship (in that quote)."

Can we remind you of what the great Rees Mogg said when our economy tanks and people are suffering the consequences. Or will you have carefully name changed by then?
Assuming MN is still going.

You know, the one with his finds safely in the EU to protect him. Are yours safely in the EU?

Oh FGS. Again. The asset manager he is linked to (partner in?) has funds all over the place, Singapore, Ireland, etc., like every other asset manager you'd care to mention. If they didn't, they wouldn't be competitive. This has absolutely nothing to do with where he has his personal money, which is not a matter of public record and an entirely separate matter.

I've been a sharp critic of JRM for a number of stances he has taken especially with regard to Brexit (and abortion) but get the facts straight at least.

Your last comment just sounds like you don't like rich people. I think good luck to them if they've earned their money honestly, paid their taxes and contributed to society.

@MeganBacon . Nice to see you are a full on Rees Mogg apologist. Fans of Father Ted will remember the recurring joke about the money "just resting" in Ted's account.

I have no problem with rich people. I think it's great if people work hard, earn money and provide employment for people. That's fantastic.
I just have this thing about lying bastards and total wankers.

Or will you have carefully name changed by then?
I've been coming here for 8 years or so and haven't changed my name once, so that is unlikely.
You're right Peregrina it is hairsplitting and not worth the bother really, but I don't like to see people misquote words, facts, numbers, etc..

Nice to see you are a full on Rees Mogg apologist
That's just offensive.

I don't want to be rude, but when remainers slag off someone like JRM for hours using an out of context misquoted remark that has become a twitter trope, it is just tedious. Leavers on here don't do this about prominent remainers or senior EU figures although they all have similar clichéd smears attached to them. It just derails any sensible discussion. Maybe that's the aim?

If you go be a shit about facts, why not explain why those shitheads are lying about the NI Border?

Leavers do it all the time . Easiest deal in the world. Technical solution to NI border available right now. Those kind of lies.

There is no technical/digital/whatever solution to the NI Border. If there is, would someone please put it in bold somewhere on this thread where it HAS worked elsewhere! Talk about more unicorns.

A No Deal Brexit is receding. The US Congress has said it will block Trade Deals if the GFA is not upheld by Britain. Trump has no say, Congress rules. That country US played a huge part in bringing peace to NI for everyone's sake, and they are not going to let some hubristic pipsqueaks with zero knowledge break it.

Anyway, Johnson and Hunt are only playing to a small audience of about 200k who more than likely have never heard that NI was part of the Union, and they will also more than likely not be affected by anything to do with No Deal either. That's democracy for you.

It is utterly tragic what is going on.

I agree about the GFA, Outsomnia.
But I could see a way forward that is GE, no deal, sea border.
Or GE, tweaked WA, sea border.

I could live with WA, border in the sea. Anything else, absolutely not.

@Largs

A sea border is a neat solution for sure. However it will not be tolerated by the DUP who as you know are propping up the Government right now. There would be mayhem.

And I expect Scotland will be very annoyed too seeing NI as separate and operating largely under EU rules, whereas they, who voted to stay will have to leave the EU.

It is such a sad, sorry, and intractible mess isn't it?

The destruction of the Union of the UK might happen quicker than actually leaving the EU at the end of the day. Is that what we all voted for?

But Brexit IMO is an ENGLAND thing. The rest of the Union doesn't matter to England a whit. So it may come to pass eventually that England and Wales leave the EU, but Scotland and NI will stay somehow or another. Independence for Scotland and reunification with ROI for NI.

I doubt anyone thought it would come to this, but those are the signs IMO.

Meant to include Wales in the "England" reference above.

I'm not sure it would be sad if NI reunified with Ireland. It would just be different. It's up to them really and it does seem inevitable one day.

A border in the sea, even with NI de facto remaining in the CU and SM will not be enough to ensure the GFA is intact. The GFA also requires parity of rights, so legislation regarding equality, employment etc would need to remain in line with the EU.

If Scotland wants to remain in the EU then they will indeed have to be independent. I'm half Scottish and I go there a lot and I don't see why they shouldn't do fine on their own. We will still be friends on the British Isles even if our governments diverge. I wouldn't catastrophize any of these changes.

Border in the sea with NI as a special economic zone. With EU rights intact.

I think good luck to them if they've earned their money honestly, paid their taxes and contributed to society.

With people who make their money gambling on currency movements I do question whether it's earned honestly.

I have absolutely no problem with people who actually work for their money, don't look out for tax loopholes and genuinely contribute.

I do wonder exactly what Rees-Mogg or Johnson would have made of themselves if they hadn't been born into moneyed families, been brought up on a rough estate and stuck with the worst school in the district. Johnson gives every impression of being a lazy arse, and I doubt would have made much of himself.

@bellinisurge - Border in the sea with NI as a special economic zone. With EU rights intact.

Exactly.

DUP need to go from Government, and then the suggestions here might float. Otherwise forget it.

21 years on now, the Orange Order is stirring it again for the Twelfth of July.

It hasn't gone away on either side yet, and probably never will.

Drumcree once more, if anyone knows about it or remembers it was awful, and here we go again. Fear of Reunification I think, but that is not mentioned.

www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/orange-order-in-talks-with-uk-officials-over-drumcree-dispute-1.3946791?mode=amp

And other Unionist strongholds like Portadown are in readiness for the Twelfth of July too. Does anyone realise what Brexit and a Hard Border will do. I doubt it.

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/residents-at-portadown-flats-told-to-leave-homes-due-to-danger-posed-by-bonfire-38288288.html

A frictionless border? OK.