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Westministenders: The start of our fourth year of fun

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2019 10:47

Do you remember when politics was boring?

This week we have had a Tory MP recalled, a Tory MP caught on film appearing to assault a protester and our likely Tory prime minister caught on tape having a serious row with his girlfriend which resulted in the police being called.

This is a government with a majority of 3 (with the DUP).

There are apparently 100 MPs who are not on board with no deal, but its not clear how far they will go to try and stop this. We do have Dominic Grieve stating that if Johnson is elected leader he will not become PM as he will not have the confidence of the house and can not go to the Queen to say he has. He has recently said he would resign the Tory Whip if necessary, which he has not previously said. The government has only to lose 2 more MPs for it to lose its majority...

It is important to remember that until Johnson goes to the Queen, May remains PM and retains the powers of the office. Could he become leader but not PM?

This crisis would most likely lead to a GE. The only real question would be over the timing over this. Would it be immediate or strung out over the summer? At this point this does look highly likely before October.

If the Tory moderates get their way, then the ERG hardliners hit back and do the same thing even with the looming threat of the Brexit Party or a Remain surge.

Its hard to see how we AVOID Brenda from Bristol being tracked down for a rent-a-quote. And there is a strong possibility of another Tory Leadership Election before the year is out, under several scenarios.

Meanwhile the EU Brexit Team has largely broken up, with most of its lead players having new personal priorities with internal EU elections. Our biggest ally in Tusk will no longer be there to protect us, so EU politics post 31st October could look quite different, and less favourable, to the UK.

Whilst the talk around parliament from seems to indicate that the UK will look for another extension (and this includes from Camp Johnson), this is very inward looking. At some point there needs to be a wakeup call that the EU want us out, and will be prepared to force us to no deal whether we like it or not.

Equally the idea that we could have a PV is also dependant now on EU good will, as we've faffed about for so long with Tory Brats. And relies on the EU still being keen on another referendum. Will this come to a head with the EU saying no and shattering the hopes of the other side of the house?

At this point, what happens with the Withdrawal Agreement? The idea that the withdrawal agreement is dead isn't quite as clear cut as you might think. If its a choice in parliament on the very last day of No Deal v the Withdrawal Agreement what will they do? Will they recognise the moment? Certainly I think there are a few opposition MPs who HAVE started to notice this is a possibility this time around. Its still largely unspoken though. No one wants to acknowledge political reality.

We still haven't hit the wall of reality. We avoided in March. But its still there and no going away.

I think there are two things we can count on over the next few weeks; more outrage and chaos and a slow dawning of the realisation that May was dreadful, but it really could be worse.

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gutrotweins · 26/06/2019 21:32

Hunt to Laura Kuenssberg last night : 'I will leave the European Union without a deal. But I'm not going to do that if there's a prospect of a better deal and if I did it it would be with a heavy heart because businesses up and down the country would face a lot of destruction'

Destruction FFS! The potential leader of our country will be willing to destroy businesses up and down the country???!!! Shock Jaw dropping stuff.

Not to mention the other one ... what a pair of tossers.

prettybird · 26/06/2019 21:42

TiP thought that you lot would titter at this

www.facebook.com/britainbitesbackofficial/posts/854990514899613

Iambuffy · 26/06/2019 21:47

Christ.
The Tory leadership final 2...
It's like choosing between Ebola and bubonic plague.

thethethethethe · 26/06/2019 21:48

The BBC are obsessed with personalities. I've heard them stop politicians talking about hugely important issues, and insist that they just talk about who is most popular or whatever. It's very deliberate dumbing down.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 21:54

Some more cheerful news from elsewhere in the EEA:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/26/denmarks-youngest-prime-minister-leads-new-leftist-government

Denmark has became the third Nordic country this year to form a leftist government after the Social Democratic party leader, Mette Frederiksen, finalised terms for a one-party minority government.
....
The election results signalled that Danish voters had rebelled against austerity measures,
while dealing a blow to rightwing nationalists, who lost more than half of their votes compared with 2015.

borntobequiet · 26/06/2019 22:07

Many political journalists are no more than political groupies IMO.

TemporaryPermanent · 26/06/2019 22:11

Marvellous. How do you say 'Fuck you, Bannon' in Danish?

Based on my 2 hour long attempt to learn Danish, terminated when I slammed the book shut and swore, with difficulty. But still worth doing.

TemporaryPermanent · 26/06/2019 22:12

Oh.

'Fuck Dig Bannon'.

I was hoping for something a bit more impenetrable to the English eye.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 22:23

The word "fuck" may be the most widely used English word on the continent

I hear it from Germans, Swedes, French speaking their own language
The French should consider referring to "Le Fuck" as they do "Le Weekend"

NoWordForFluffy · 26/06/2019 22:32

Yeah, I think 'fuck' is just 'fuck' for many nationalities.

I should be fluent in Danish given my love of The Killing and The Bridge. But I'm not, disappointingly!

RedToothBrush · 26/06/2019 22:41

Most political journalists are arts and humanities graduates. That can lead to a lack of ease with economics as a policy area

I'm an arts and humanities grad who was very good at maths (only reason I didn't do advanced maths was they couldn't timetable it with my humanities) and has advanced bookkeeping qualifications. And studied propaganda as a specific subject. It seems I'm something of a freak!

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prettybird · 26/06/2019 22:49

I'm a French and Economics graduate Smile.

But some of you may recall, many many threads ago I got into a spat with one of the more unreasonable Leavers who accused me of showing off for mentioning I had a relevant degree Confused - and then got upset at me using long words when I said he/she was being obtuse Grin

cherin · 26/06/2019 22:52

Anyone watching Newsnight???

AbGonk · 26/06/2019 22:53

Watching Newsnight - Liz Truss is truly awful, isn't she? I don't think she's right in the head.

cherin · 26/06/2019 22:53

That Liz Truss is getting a spectacular bashing, but what she says is a pile of sh+te...

prettybird · 26/06/2019 22:55

Even "educated" and reasonable politicians get things wrong (and aren't corrected by their interviewers).

Ken Clarke was on Sky News this morning: to be fair, he was attacking BJ for his lies misconceptions about GATT A24 and was warning about the severe implications of No Deal. But he went on to "prove" his statement by saying that he thought that there are only 3 countries in the world who trade on pure WTO/No Deal terms: North Korea, Albania and Mauritania. (So to be fair, he did qualify his statement Wink).

He's actually wrong Shock: those three countries do have some trade deals, so that the UK would be unique if it ended up being the only country in the world to trade on pure WTO terms Hmm

But there again, the ERG and other extreme Leavers do so like UK exceptionalism Wink

RedToothBrush · 26/06/2019 23:03

Jay Rayner @ jayrayner1
^There’s a compelling suggestion tonight that Johnson’s bus story was a) designed to stop us thinking about the £350 million bus lie and b) game the google algorithm. If you now search Boris and bus you get bloody cardboard. SO pls RT this link A LOT...
www.itv.com/news/2016-05-11/uk-does-get-back-some-of-350m-it-sends-to-eu-boris-johnson-admits/
UK does get back some of £350m it sends to EU, Boris Johnson admits

Clicky click. Get screwing the Google algorithm folks. I know you won't disappointed. This is one you want to view.

Jay Rayner @ jayrayner1
Or find another link and tweet that a lot. Like this one. RT and encourage others to do so
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-boris-johnson-nhs-bus-claim-350-million-fundraiser-campaign-prosecute-a8528886.html?amp
Brexit: Campaign to prosecute Boris Johnson over £350m NHS bus claim raises £24,000 in two days

Jay Rayner @jayrayner1
Or this one. it will take an enormous number of Retweets to redirect the google search. But hey it’s worth a try.
www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/05/16/350m-brexit-bus-slogan-lie-says-jean-claude-juncker/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Jean-Claude Juncker says £350m bus slogan was a lie as deputy calls Brexit Britain 'Game of Thrones on steroids'

Jay Rayner @jayrayner1
Here’s one more. retweet like the wind.
www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35959948?__twitter_impression=true
Reality Check: Boris Johnson's claims about the EU

Jay Rayner @jayrayner1
Unless of course you believe he makes cardboard models of buses. In which case a) don’t do anything and b) really? Okay. Fine. Whatever.

So essentially it was all about 'rewriting history via google'.

Get clicking folks.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 23:05

Yep, I've posted on Westministenders and other threads several times that no country trades n pure WTO terms

To be fair, neither would the UK - don't forget the handful of amazing deals that Fox scraped together

RedToothBrush · 26/06/2019 23:09

BTW I highly recommend

The Unwanted: The Secret Windrush Files
www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m00068sk/the-unwanted-the-secret-windrush-files

As background viewing to Brexit. Its telling.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 23:09

Of course, these announcements tell Boris who not to ask to join his new Cabinet

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Justice Secretary David Gauke tells #Peston^ he will resign from the Cabinet if Boris becomes PM:^

"On the basis of what I’ve heard so far, I wouldn’t serve. To be fair to him, I wouldn’t be able to give him full-hearted support".

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 23:12

Reminding us that racism was never just a problem on the right:

"PM Clement Attlee even suggested diverting the Windrush passengers to east Africa - to pick peanuts. "

gutrotweins · 26/06/2019 23:22

Liz Truss - Chancellor in Waiting. Can't wait for the next budget.

Gin
Peregrina · 26/06/2019 23:23

Casual racism was just an everyday event back in the 1940s, even among people who were quite tolerant and liberal e.g. 'darkies' for black people in everyday speech. Probably as a result of being stuffed silly with tales of how wonderful the British Empire was.

prettybird · 26/06/2019 23:30

Aren't the deals that Fox has cobbled together agreed, predicated on the UK leaving the EU with a deal, in that they are based on the MRAs or a proportion of the quotas that the EU already gas with those countries? Hmm

But even if they're not, it's telling that those 3 countries that are touted as examples of countries that don't have trade deals, DO indeed have trade deals with the countries that neighbour them Shock

But I'm sure that's just a coincidence Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 23:47

red Is Hunt trying to follow BJ with his own dead cat bounce, a la Lynton Crosby?
He's also confiding in a niche personal interest

Or is he just trying to sound human and interesting ?
If so, it'll never work

"Jeremy Hunt talks about his ‘big passion’ for lambada dancing"

and Gove apparently an admirer of his dancing prowess since 2012

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/lifestyle/entertainment/jeremy-hunt-talks-about-his-big-passion-for-lambada-dancing/

Mr Gove said that Mr Hunt had a “sprung dancefloor in his house in London to enable him to practise,
and if you ever want anyone to liven up your party by cutting the rug with dash and distinction then Jeremy is the man to invite”.