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Westministenders: The start of our fourth year of fun

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RedToothBrush · 24/06/2019 10:47

Do you remember when politics was boring?

This week we have had a Tory MP recalled, a Tory MP caught on film appearing to assault a protester and our likely Tory prime minister caught on tape having a serious row with his girlfriend which resulted in the police being called.

This is a government with a majority of 3 (with the DUP).

There are apparently 100 MPs who are not on board with no deal, but its not clear how far they will go to try and stop this. We do have Dominic Grieve stating that if Johnson is elected leader he will not become PM as he will not have the confidence of the house and can not go to the Queen to say he has. He has recently said he would resign the Tory Whip if necessary, which he has not previously said. The government has only to lose 2 more MPs for it to lose its majority...

It is important to remember that until Johnson goes to the Queen, May remains PM and retains the powers of the office. Could he become leader but not PM?

This crisis would most likely lead to a GE. The only real question would be over the timing over this. Would it be immediate or strung out over the summer? At this point this does look highly likely before October.

If the Tory moderates get their way, then the ERG hardliners hit back and do the same thing even with the looming threat of the Brexit Party or a Remain surge.

Its hard to see how we AVOID Brenda from Bristol being tracked down for a rent-a-quote. And there is a strong possibility of another Tory Leadership Election before the year is out, under several scenarios.

Meanwhile the EU Brexit Team has largely broken up, with most of its lead players having new personal priorities with internal EU elections. Our biggest ally in Tusk will no longer be there to protect us, so EU politics post 31st October could look quite different, and less favourable, to the UK.

Whilst the talk around parliament from seems to indicate that the UK will look for another extension (and this includes from Camp Johnson), this is very inward looking. At some point there needs to be a wakeup call that the EU want us out, and will be prepared to force us to no deal whether we like it or not.

Equally the idea that we could have a PV is also dependant now on EU good will, as we've faffed about for so long with Tory Brats. And relies on the EU still being keen on another referendum. Will this come to a head with the EU saying no and shattering the hopes of the other side of the house?

At this point, what happens with the Withdrawal Agreement? The idea that the withdrawal agreement is dead isn't quite as clear cut as you might think. If its a choice in parliament on the very last day of No Deal v the Withdrawal Agreement what will they do? Will they recognise the moment? Certainly I think there are a few opposition MPs who HAVE started to notice this is a possibility this time around. Its still largely unspoken though. No one wants to acknowledge political reality.

We still haven't hit the wall of reality. We avoided in March. But its still there and no going away.

I think there are two things we can count on over the next few weeks; more outrage and chaos and a slow dawning of the realisation that May was dreadful, but it really could be worse.

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NoWordForFluffy · 26/06/2019 18:52

I go to the shop and come back to a load of awful toad jokes!! 🐸 🐸🙈

bellinisurge · 26/06/2019 18:55

My apologies @NoWordForFluffy , my typo started it, I'm afraid. I'm ..... toadally embarrassed. 🐸

Grinchly · 26/06/2019 19:02

Sorry bellini the toad was yours! Blush
Toad in the hole is a good prepper dish, I'm thinking...

Grinchly · 26/06/2019 19:19

Anyway back to matter in hand
Watching c 4 -DoH and DfT will be tendering for no deal business in July...

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lonelyplanetmum · 26/06/2019 19:47

I think the last three years have drained my humour but..

Long and winding toad
That Lonesome toad
End of the toad
Toadally devoted to you

StarryGazeyEyes · 26/06/2019 20:01

King of the Toad(s) - few candidates for that one

LouiseCollins28 · 26/06/2019 20:12

Thunder Toad? Grin
Slightly worryingly, wonder if she/he related to the Thunder Cats

RedToothBrush · 26/06/2019 20:16

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/06/why-political-journalism-keeps-getting-it-wrong
Why political journalism keeps getting it wrong

This is why Westminstenders has existed and survived for so long.

Because its been able to see 'deadly sins' of political journalism before journalists like Helen Lewis realised it.

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BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 20:32

"Nor is it for you to determine which questions from DG or me are permissible."

No, I would never claim that.
Nor is it for you to determine which answers are permissible

TatianaLarina · 26/06/2019 20:34

Most political journalists are arts and humanities graduates. That can lead to a lack of ease with economics as a policy area

I think this is a good point and one of my beefs with BBC coverage in particular is that it keeps reporting political opinions rather than fact.

Why can Bloomberg cut through the politics on Brexit and report the facts when BBC can't?

I like Laura K - but she seems a bit clueless on the major technical/trade issues of Brexit. All she does is report what the latest political bod has told her. Reporting the ignorance of politicians is not serving the nation. This applies to other issues as well. Faisal Islam has been slightly better political reporter and I think it’s because he has an economic background.

LonelyTiredandLow · 26/06/2019 20:34

Every Day is a Winding Toad Grin - has Tory party written all over it.

Sadly am paywalled from NS Sad

Was listening to the raw sewage issues of Southern Water - and many callers saying it is a national issue rather than regional - and realised maybe what we have been missing from EU is, ironically, more control from them? More 'meddling' when these things happen; bigger fines, change of leadership, imposing some court incentives. If we had had that I wonder if we would have realised what we would be loosing a little more? I know it would be used now as a "they took our water companies to the ECJ! HOW DARE THEY!" but actually I see every failing mentioned by leavers as one of our own govt's making, largely through lack of funding and privitisation.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 20:36

This is the level of political debate:

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

Sparks flying between the two Jeremys on @BBCRadio2^ now.^

Vine: "You’re the richest member of the Cabinet"

Hunt: “Hang on. My salary while I was running my business was a lot lower than your salary now.
So let’s not get into the politics of envy”

TatianaLarina · 26/06/2019 20:36

Nor is it for you to determine which answers are permissible

Which I did not, and neither did DG. We simply commented that the answer was vague and asked for more detail.

Peregrina · 26/06/2019 20:37

Hit the Toad Jack, And don't you come back no more no more..........

LonelyTiredandLow · 26/06/2019 20:38

Maitliss was on R4 yesterday (?) and was saying she found it v. hard to understand what was being asked of her to report. She went to a shopping centre and reported how long it had taken to build, steel struts etc. Only when she returned the editor asked her if she had notice who the owner was and why the centre was being picketed (or something - was only half listening to what the actual story was). In short she has had to learn how to read between the lines and what to question, which really explains a lot.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 20:39

The invitation has now been rescinded, but it highlights a problem in the Labour party that Corbyn ignores:

www.thesun.co.uk/news/9358080/labour-mp-anti-semitism-storm/amp/

A Labour MP has risked a fresh antisemitism storm by inviting to Parliament a leading figure from the Houthi movement who’s slogan includes

“curse the Jews”.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 20:48

Sam Coates Sky@SamCoatesSky
Hustings - Hunt

  • "There's very little difference in practice between me and Boris" over Brexit
  • No deal would mean risk to business and the Union but would do it with "heavy heart"
  • Wouldn't call Johnson GATT 24 claims a "lie"

Hustings - Johnson

  • "I think we can get this done without suspending Parliament" & "not attracted" to proroguing Pt. But doesn't rule out
  • Suggests Pt shouldn't be called over summer as it was part of problem not solution Hmm
  • No deal is "million to one" but must be prepared for
tobee · 26/06/2019 20:51

Labour Party a shit show right now. That would have pained me to say not long ago. Now I'm used to thinking that. SadAngry

Iambuffy · 26/06/2019 21:00

Such a clusterfuck.

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 21:07

Labour MPs & party officials should not associate with anti-semites, any more than they would with any other kind of racist

It shouldn't be difficult to instruct MPs & officials not to invite such obviously disgusting anti-semites, not to RT them, not to attend meetings where they are speaking

If Corbyn actually gave a damn

Iambuffy · 26/06/2019 21:13

I think we can all agree the JC is not in charge of labour.

Milne is a dangerous man imo

BigChocFrenzy · 26/06/2019 21:23

True, JC has allowed the unelecteds Milne far too much power over him and hence party policy

Like Theresa May allowed the unelected Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill.
That went badly