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Westministenders: The Only Election That Matters - The Tory One

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RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 15:57

Fallout from the Euro Elections makes for interesting reading for the leadership hopefuls.

Its not a clear cut as some make out. There is still a case for a deal. The trouble is passing it through parliament. And there is no time to do that. Nor no will.

Any new leader's priority isn't going to be a deal. Its going to be avoiding a General Election. And thats going to be hard.

We are also realistically facing the prospect of another extension which France is likely to block leading to no deal or no deal.

Or a 2nd Referendum.

A 2nd Referendum might be the only way to avoid a General Election. And that will still have no deal on the ballot. Of that you can be sure.

Peter Foster of the Telegraph remarked this morning that in fact the only way to a deal now, might well be via no deal, because of all the routes we have exhausted through incompetence. And that will come at a very high price.

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Peregrina · 28/05/2019 22:24

What do you expect of the Torygraph putting something on the front page about Corbyn, when their own party is in complete meltdown? How many are standing for the leadership now?

borntobequiet · 28/05/2019 22:25

Undersea cables are a tried and tested technology
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-38723864

1tisILeClerc · 28/05/2019 22:25

RhubarbIsEvil
There are cables underseas linking all manner of places. The Victorians had communications cables stretching from Cornwall to Australia to link the Empire. With Brexit in full swing 2 paper cups and some string will be all that is necessary, possibly all that the UK can afford.
There are about a dozen undersea power interconnections already.
The UK sources about 10% of electricity from France to cover peak demands.

Oakenbeach · 28/05/2019 22:26

So how does the ousting of Corbyn begin ??

TM didn’t really have allies at the end, so her ousting was straightforward. JC definitely does have allies, staunch ones who’ll fight tooth and nail to keep him. It will be a bloodbath...

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 22:28

Times reporting that Hunt is losing ground to Gove after he is accused of 'flip flopping over no deal'. Apparently Gove is becoming the Centrist Choice after a couple of Hunt supporters have criticised Hunt for not taking no deal off the table and have reversed their support for him.

The NCA story is also eye brow raising. A foreign national who the NCA describe as 'politically exposed person believed to be involved in serious crime'.

Westministenders: The Only Election That Matters - The Tory One
Westministenders: The Only Election That Matters - The Tory One
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BeckyAnnLeeman · 28/05/2019 22:29

As long as the membership are still behind him there's not much that can be done, is there? Except appeal to him to stand aside.

BeckyAnnLeeman · 28/05/2019 22:30

Christ, that picture of Gove should come with a warning.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 22:30

Mirror reporting what Corbyn hasn't done. As if its news. Its not news UNTIL he does it...

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prettybird · 28/05/2019 22:32

Plenty of subsea interconnects (telecoms in particular but also for electricity).

How do people think the electricity interconnect with France works? There is also one with the Netherlands.

There are specialised vessels that lay subsea cables - they're quite something to see.

Basilpots · 28/05/2019 22:33

Oaken Cheers from memory most Labour leaders seem to see sense and go quietly don’t they ? Struggling to remember. Brown obviously lost an election as did Miliband Blair if I remember did need a shove. Obviously John Smith sadly passed away.

Whilst at the same time agitating for a General Election. Excellent plan.

How to make things worse V2.0

BigChocFrenzy · 28/05/2019 22:36

Rhubarb It really isn't a technical problem - well established tech, just needs budget and will

There are undersea cables linking many countries, also phone cables, fibre optic cables ....

The first transatlantic cables (phone) were back in the mid-19th century (no, not 20th)

SwedishEdith · 28/05/2019 22:38

And I thought the Murdoch press were on Gove's side? That photo 😂😂😂

GeistohneGrenzen · 28/05/2019 22:38

RhubarbIsEvil (no, it's the best!!)

Have a gander at
www.submarinecablemap.com/#/
last updated a fortnight ago and guaranteed to boggle your mind Grin

Peregrina · 28/05/2019 22:38

May is now claiming that the EU election disaster is because of the Brexit failure. True as far as Farage and his followers go. Not true as far as the Remainers go - so she needs to ask herself why there are 16 LibDems and 7 Greens and only 4 Tories.

“I’ve always taken a view that the best option for the UK is to leave the European Union with a deal." No Love, a quick google will show you campaigning for Remain. Even if you were half-hearted about it.

RhubarbIsEvil · 28/05/2019 22:39

Thank you but. Ohhhh bollocks.

What do you need Rhubarb Wick?

Candles. Lots of candles.

1tisILeClerc · 28/05/2019 22:39

www.submarinecablemap.com/

I think it may not be the first!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 28/05/2019 22:41

:( Talkin Gin

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 22:42

It seems that Campbell is seeking legal advice. A ex-compliance Labour officer stated its within the rules to state you voted (past tense) for someone else, its against the rules to do so to influence others before a vote. This has been backed up by a former general secretary...

So it could get interesting.

Campbell has also tweeted the following:

Alastair PEOPLE’S VOTE Campbell @campbellclaret
Among many many messages of support have been some from Corbyn’s office, shadow cabinet, MPs, union leaders and party staff including one telling me there is a mountain of emails from members who responded to mobilisation email by saying no to campaigning and not voting Labour

Remains to be seen whether all who have said they did not vote Labour will now be expelled. It’s bad enough being venal. But the incompetence is what makes the venality worse

It has to be said that since I looked at #expelmetoo at about 4pm its gone full on viral.

And criticism of Kate Hoey and her lack of expulsion has been particularly strong.

The Lib Dems have been using it as a recruitment session.

And

Harry Cole@MrHarryCole
Amazing. No labour frontbencher willing to defend bad al goodbye on #newsnight

Anyone want to bet on Campbell being reinstated by the end of the week?

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ThereWillBeAdequateFood · 28/05/2019 22:43

And I thought the Murdoch press were on Gove's side? That photo

Yeah but it’s Gove. That might have been the best picture they took of him that day Grin

1tisILeClerc · 28/05/2019 22:45

If you think your smartphone is running slow:

{The first message on the 1858 cable took over 17 hours to transmit.[30] For the 1866 cable, the methods of cable manufacture, as well as sending messages, had been vastly improved. The 1866 cable could transmit eight words a minute[31}

BeckyAnnLeeman · 28/05/2019 22:46

Alastair Campbell will not go gentle into that good night Grin

Drag 'em, Al, drag 'em.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 22:46

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/may/28/rory-stewart-hits-out-at-tory-rivals-over-suicide-bomber-remark?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Rory Stewart hits out at Tory rivals over 'suicide bomber' remark

Leadership candidate reacts to suggestion he is in race to clear path for Michael Gove

Instead he hopes to deliver Brexit via a citizens’ assembly, which he said he would convene on day one of entering No 10 and would pay a jury of 500 UK citizens to work a seven-day week to find a Brexit consensus that parliament would respect.

Stewart said he was inspired by the assembly that was convened around the abortion debate in Ireland. “I have a lot of confidence that we are one of the most educated and articulate populations on Earth and that if we had a citizens’ assembly they would be able to do what parliament has failed to do: step back, put party politics aside and look at a sensible resolution to this,” he said.

He said the outcome would be known by 31 October and would deliver Brexit more swiftly and securely than a candidate prepared to risk no deal.

“You need a Brexit deal to last for 40 years – the danger of revoke or no deal is that you end up in a very unstable situation. The issues are set up as very binary but actually in Ireland they broke it down to a whole series of different questions,” he said.

The assembly could potentially discuss a second referendum but Stewart said he believed they would reach the conclusion that it would be too divisive, leaving many issues unsolved.

“I’ve been an advocate for a pragmatic, moderate Brexit. My position would have been acceptable to most people who voted remain just after the referendum but positions have hardened,” he said. “A lot of people now want to reject the result of the referendum entirely. I did not feel that in the first weeks and months after the referendum.”

Stewart said he believed the House of Commons was unable to take on a similar role because of party divisions. “I have fantasised about locking members of parliament in a room, bringing in an international mediator, forcing them to take public evidence sessions from expert panels and groups for eight or nine hours a day, setting up a voting system to force them to come to a resolution,” he said.

“But the more I have looked at it, the more it is obvious to me that is not going to happen. Even before the second vote, I came across colleagues on both Labour and Conservative benches who didn’t understand or want to understand some pretty straightforward things, like what is the difference between the single market and customs union.

“Fundamentally, there is not a huge gap between me and Lisa Nandy [the Labour MP for Wigan who has advocated against a second referendum]. The problem is we are in different political parties. It’s so, so deep.”

A TORY. WITH ACTUAL IDEAS.

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BeckyAnnLeeman · 28/05/2019 22:47

Yeah but it’s Gove. That might have been the best picture they took of him that day

Ha! Grin

I kept seeing a distressing video on Twitter of him doing a kind of jog whilst holding a loaf of bread and pint of milk. Most upsetting it was too.

1tisILeClerc · 28/05/2019 22:49

{And I thought the Murdoch press were on Gove's side? That photo}

It looks more like a cut and paste job.

RedToothBrush · 28/05/2019 22:52

www.thesun.co.uk/news/9172308/sajid-javid-extra-cops-leadership-battle/?utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=sunmaintwitter&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1559079329
Sajid Javid vows to recruit 20,000 extra police in his bid to become Prime Minister

Replace. You mean REPLACE all the ones that May got rid of.

All leading candidates are expected to switch their focus from Brexit and onto domestic policy in the coming days.

Arch-Eurosceptic Dominic Raab is working on a string of new policies for this weekend after already pledging to slash income tax, cut stamp duty and pay teachers more in tougher schools.

Ex-Minister Esther McVey has promised to slash the overseas aid budget by £7 billion to free up money for schools, police and prison officers.

Mr Javid formally launched his leadership bid on Monday – vowing to “heal the divides” and unify the party.

He insisted his priority would be to deliver Brexit to “renew trust” in democracy.

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