To ask if people think we’d still have to sign the Withdrawl Agreement in the event of No Deal Brexit

[Bearbehind]

I try and keep up with all things Brexit but I’m baffled by this one.

There is a school of thought which says, even in the event of no deal, we’d still end up having to sign the withdrawl agreement in order to start to negiotiations as a third country on trade deals.

If it’s true then I struggle to understand why Theresa May never made this very clear because it would get the vote through wouldn’t it?

I can’t find anything conclusive on the subject - the WA had to be signed to get a deal but it’s not mentioned in a no deal scenario.

Interested to hear from Leave and Remain voters on this - what is your understanding?

If, even in the event of no deal, we need to sign the WA, why don’t we just get on wth it?

{ It will be tough to be on an isolated little island surrounded by the unofficial 'enemies'}
It is some in the UK that are defining the EU as 'enemies' if this is the case.
Those in the EU who have direct dealings with the UK will be disappointed, and many will be frustrated and 'peeved' that they are having to pay for this madness.
This process is making practically everyone in Europe poorer.

Havent RTFT but in the process of doing so but this:

Whilst you are knowingly misinforming people, that’s perhaps best.

Says Bear who voted for this shit show but is having some buyers remorse

Says Bear who voted for this shit show but is having some buyers remorse

Eh, voting Tory in the past and voting for this shit show are not the same thing.

I voted Remain and wouldn’t vote for the current Tories if you paid me.

And anyway, even if I had voted Leave and was now regretting it, that’s a damn sight better than the fools who are going round now saying that the only thing that matters is upholding the vote result, whatever the cost.

People can change their minds in light of the facts you know.

Brexit and how it has been handled is an absolute load of bollox and an embarrassment. We are the laughing stock of the political world.

After No Deal, the main planks of the WA - especially the backstop, expat rights & calculation methods for the exit bill -
will be put in another treaty, valled something else (!),
which the UK will have to sign before the EU will negotiate on a future trade deal,

or even on emergency minideals to keep UK trade flowing

I'd not criticise anyone who changed their mind because they had more facts / realised they had been lied to

e.g. about how we could retain all the bits of the EU we wanted, like frictionless trade, without any of the bits we didn't want, like FOM & ECJ

Leave deliberately deceived voters about 350 million for the NHS, about migrants, Turkey etc and deliberately avoided choosing a type of Brexit, so they could promise all things to all people.

Jo Maugham QCC@JolyonMaugham*

Here, in case you've forgotten,
is Vote Leave supremo Dominic Cummings boasting that it was the £350m a week lie that won it for Leave.

My understanding is that we don't have to sign it in the same way that I don't have to go to work. However, the consequences of not doing so could be severe.

No trade deal at all with the EU (our biggest trading partner by some margin) unless we agree to the three key points - costs, expat rights and the NI border.
No trade deal with the US if we don't sort the EU border.

People can change their minds in light of the facts you know.

IMO, it takes a great deal more strength to admit you were wrong or mislead than it does to have been right in the first place.

{My understanding is that we don't have to sign it in the same way that I don't have to go to work. However, the consequences of not doing so could be severe. }

That sounds a good summary, but I would add very in front of severe.
Can the UK sustain what may well be an across the board average price hike of say 10% for what could be several years at a time when companies will be struggling?

Couldn't they just add something like a codicil and state some things don't fit the situation any longer. Like transition for example. It would be attached, so the WA would still stand, but 'cos UK have left, scenario slightly different.

It would still be the WA for the 3 biggies (Ireland, Citizens rights, and dosh). So, in essence WA just with additional qualifications.

Issues in WA would have to be put to bed before trade talks open.

Yes, not just Democrats saying no trade deal without GFA being protected.

Sometimes people throw out sentences which give the impression they have an expertise about certain things. Like Fromage saying UK could just slap tariffs on EU alone in case of WTO rules. Didn't blink when was corrected on tv about having to apply it to everyone in the same way if no trade deals. Was peddling that for ages (and probably still saying it). Brass necks and would take everything with a pinch of salt.

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Saw this article & thought of this thread.