Leavers rejoice

[Coppersulphate]

The Brexit Party are doing really well in the polls. I just hope they do as well in the election.
I think their slogan should be "Tell them again".
I would like to see a clean sweep of Brexiteers but I know that is not going to happen.
I have sent off my postal vote.

You are deluded if you think 'no deal' is any sort of bargaining power or threat to the EU. They are assuming this is probably going to be the case. The WA will be waiting on the table to be signed when the UK gets hungry enough.

@1tisILeClerc - You are deluded if you think 'no deal' is any sort of bargaining power or threat to the EU.

Absolutely. There has been massive preparation by government and businesses here in Ireland and the rest of the EU. If no deal happens, we will suffer, but we have minimised the impact with the preparation.

The German version of the CBI told German manufacturers over 18 months ago to factor OUT component production from the UK so that the UK leaving will not damage them.
I expect other EU countries have done the same.

Should of had ‘no deal’ on the table from the get go. We didn’t. We should rip up the WA and start again but we can’t. So we come full circle (again) back to revoke or no deal. Can’t see Boris revoking so .....

Its the same old politics though DoubleT, we need to realise that Europe operates on consensus politics.
Going in with threats of this or that will will get us what May got!!! remember, she was adamant that no deal was better than a bad deal......

If the new PM goes for no-deal, they'll wreck the economic and destroy their party.... there isn't the numbers for what you desire, nor is there yet a solution to NI.
Risking young british soldiers lives for an ideology is plain evil.

However, i think we'll ask for an extension and the EU will say No, unless its for a specific reason.... so we'll be booted out, unprepared and in an even worse mess than now.

time4chocolate
Which part of 'The WA is NOT a deal' are you struggling with?
It is a summary of the legal ties between the UK and the EU and if the UK leaves they all need redrafting or at least amending.
The UK leaves, it signs the WA before any actual negotiations. Simples!

The PD defines When and IF the various treaties in the WA are changed. Some, such as CU/SM details might be retained if the UK wants a 'Canada' or 'Norway' basis for trade.

Boris is more than capable of revoking - he was a remainer all his political life until 2016 lol!

1tisleclerc Not struggling with anything at all. We can’t get past first base with the WA, the summary of the legal ties and the going forward arrangements don’t seem to be passing muster, so where does that leave us?

Should of had ‘no deal’ on the table from the get go.

If only TM had gone round saying ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ things would have been different 🤔

People are just rewriting history to suit their narrative now.

{ We can’t get past first base with the WA, the summary of the legal ties and the going forward arrangements don’t seem to be passing muster, so where does that leave us?}

Stuffed, with the irony that the UK was probably instrumental in writing much of the legislation.

If only TM had gone round saying ‘No deal is better than a bad deal’ things would have been different 🤔

No, she was saying one thing to everyone in the UK and doing something completely different in Brussels. She made the mistake of trying to be all things to all people and ended up in a complete mess.

Stuffed.......

Well quite, which is why I said we are in no deal or revoke territory again.

That’s not even true time

If she had been saying something different in Brussels she would have removed her red lines - they are the problem. Nothing else.

They are not compatible with all the good bits we want to keep - she just arrogantly assumed she’d get he4 own way in the end.

Leavers need to acknowledge that leaving will make us worse off and either accept it or rebel against it.

Keeping up the pretence that it’ll all be fine is the stumbling block now.

'No deal' is simply leaving but with a chaotic timescale with the risk of people dying just because the UK hasn't prepared.
All the treaties contained in the WA still need signing off whether there is 'no deal' or a 'leave with a transition period' version.
The only 'true' no deal would be if war was declared, when treaties really are shattered 'instantly'.

If she had been saying something different in Brussels she would have removed her red lines - they are the problem. Nothing else

Her red lines were not the problem, her negotiating skills around those red lines were (although to be fair to TM I have my doubts whether anyone can negotiate a Brexit with the EU that involves actual ‘leaving’).

You are deluded if you think 'no deal' is any sort of bargaining power or threat to the EU

Huh? Its not a bargaining chip or a threat it is just what we plan to do, aka Brexit. When the EU accept we are actually leaving then we can finally start talking about what sort of trade deal we want to do after we leave.

Remainers still seem to be under the delusion that we are only pretending to leave. We are not, we leave then we start talking about what our future trading partnership will be. Its pretty straightforward.

On a separate note, I have just been having a scan of tomorrow’s papers and I think I might have found the one piece of news that a currently divided country can come together on:

“Look who's eyeing up a comeback! David Cameron is considering a dramatic political return by standing again as an MP, friends reveal”

On second thoughts we need a new Prime Minister, would it be possible to escalate him straight back to PM and get him to finish the shit that he started.

@Walkingdeadfangirl how long does it take to finalise a trade deal?

What happens meanwhile? Before the trade deal is agreed?

{When the EU accept we are actually leaving then we can finally start talking about what sort of trade deal we want to do after we leave. }

Talk about delusion. The UK is leaving, fine.
When it comes to trade deals, they will ALL be worse than they are now, that is GUARANTEED, it is part of the rules.
That is the point of being in the EU, to have good deals.
And while you are at it, the trade deals that the UK has with the 70 countries that are currently of 'EU terms', they are going too.
This is a shame because these 70 countries are the ones that sell us stuff we want, and they want the stuff the UK sells.

how long does it take to finalise a trade deal?

Does not really matter because we leave first. Become an independent country again. And then we can talk to the EU about a trade deal for as long as is needed, maybe we will not even want to agree to one.

It doesn't matter?

So what happens meanwhile, whilst we are without any trade deals?

Does not really matter because we leave first. Become an independent country again. And then we can talk to the EU about a trade deal for as long as is needed, maybe we will not even want to agree to one.

The bell curve writ large.

Trade deals: 7 to 10 years is a figure often quoted.

Ah those ridiculous delusions that no deal= position of strength!
Lmfao