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Westminstenders: A fully functioning government?

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RedToothBrush · 10/05/2019 23:50

It's been a month since parliament voting on anything.

The staggering reality of May's premiership is that government has ceased to function. We are stuck not just on Brexit but every other issue, such is the weakness of May's authority.

It begs the question of how long this is tolerable by all sides of the Conservative Civil War?

May being unable to bring anything forward means no deal is probably as inevitable as if a hardliner was PM.

There was talk of May / Corbyn reaching a fudge to get a deal via the backdoor WAB (Withdrawal Agreement Implimentation Bill) as it was politically impossible for them to be seen doing a deal any other way. However news today is that despite pressure from the 1922 Committee to bring it forward, May has slapped just a one line whip on it, meaning it will go precisely no where.

The polling for the European elections is perhaps more favourable to Labour than they might have feared after last weeks local election disaster so the mutual interest for Corbyn to move forward in anyway has already gone. Seeing the Tories be humiliated at the ballot box is too much of a temptation.

The phrase about Shit Creek only gets more apt.

All that is happening is every member of the Tory Party is lining up to take part in a leadership contest. It's harder to think of a Tory who isn't considering standing. It's not just the likes of Johnson, Gove, Rudd and Hunt. It's also the likes of Johnny Mercer and Graham Brady queuing not so patiently.

And its getting harder to argue that May is better as PM than the possibility of a right right candidate, because of the paralysis. Though as Rudd rightly points out, such a PM who wanted to actively have no deal as a policy, would struggle to win a majority in the HoC for that all important Queens Speech vote - every bit as much as May. Unless they were to somehow decide they could abuse the power of the executive and ignore parliament - a feat May has repeatedly attempted but ultimately failed at.

All everything feels, is a massive sense of merely delaying the inevitable.

Remain? Hard to see how under any Tory. A Deal? Hard to see what it might be and how there will be a Parliamentary majority. A PV? Well that still has to get through parliament and needs to be arranged smartish. And might not resolve the Irish border issue if the vote goes 'the wrong way' A General Election? That still seems to be a distinct possibility. But with the seeming resurrection of the LDs that's one the Tories will be desperate to avoid. Not that Corbyn is likely to succeed either. And of course there is now the Spectre of the Turquoise Arrows lurking. The crushing of the purple pound notes feels a hollow and distinct success.

It feels like we are waiting for the political sky to fall in in some sort of never ending Brexit Purgotory.

The cataclysmic event will occur at some point. It has to. But for now, it feels that there is nothing but waiting and waiting to be done.

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Littlespaces · 15/05/2019 11:12

Yes.

Make sure all the moderate people you know get out and vote.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/05/2019 11:17

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DGRossetti · 15/05/2019 11:18

Im-ho-tep.
Im-ho-tep.

Fans of woo will be interested to note the passing resemblance between James Hannah and Nigel Farage.

Motheroffourdragons · 15/05/2019 11:25

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DGRossetti · 15/05/2019 11:29

Just hit the doormat ...

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1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 11:29

{But I think it shows that Change UK have really not taken the place by storm.}

No, they are being like the famed British weather,,,, drizzle.

magimedi
My quote was from the Daily Mash, and not my observation.

magimedi · 15/05/2019 11:45

I know it was, 1tisILeClerc but I'll always stamp on ageism when I see it. No hard feelings to you at all.

Littlespaces · 15/05/2019 11:48

Sandra Pidgeon

@SandraPidgeon3
Dear Remainers, please stop obsessing about how to defeat Farage. The 34% or so who state an intent to vote for him approximately equals those still supporting brexit. You will never change their minds. Concentrate on getting the 66% who don’t support him out to vote for remain.

DGRossetti · 15/05/2019 11:50

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1tisILeClerc · 15/05/2019 12:02

{No hard feelings to you at all.}
I wish my neighbour who is 15 years older than me would slow down, he is showing me up!

BigChocFrenzy · 15/05/2019 12:02

Especially get the young to vote !

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 12:26

Britain elects @britainelects
European Parliament voting intention:

BREX: 27% (-1)
LAB: 25% (-1)
CON: 15% (+1)
LDEM: 13% (+2)
GRN: 7% (+1)
CHUK: 6% (-2)
UKIP: 3% (+1)

via @ComRes, 10 - 12 May
Chgs. w/ 07 May

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Peregrina · 15/05/2019 12:31

I don't know how accurate britainelects has been, but much will depend on the split of votes within the regions. I could see the LibDems doing OK in the South East; but it would surprise me if they did in the North East, where I think it will be a battle between Labour and Brexit (picking up the UKIP vote).

How many one-time Tories will go back to the fold in the privacy of the polling booth?

TalkinPaece · 15/05/2019 12:34

All that really matters next week is that the Remain vote comes out IN FORCE up and down the land to show how angry we are

even if Farridge gets 1/3 of the votes, lets make sure Remoaners get 2/3

BercowsSilkTie · 15/05/2019 12:40

Ugh. This offensive lot just arrived and put me off my lunch.

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NoWordForFluffy · 15/05/2019 12:43

The problem is that the politicians seem to concentrate on seats won, not numbers of votes for each party / side overall. As we all know, one doesn't necessarily correlate sensibly with the other.

My friend who's counting says they're doing it on Sunday, which I'd forgotten happens, due to the date window for the voting across the EU, so we have to wait a bit for the results. Cliffhanger!!

RedToothBrush · 15/05/2019 12:52

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Barely 100 Tory MPs have listened to the whips’ weekly appeal and bothered to turn to #PMQs today. Less than a third of them. Says it all, power all gone.

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NoWordForFluffy · 15/05/2019 12:58

Ouch. That's a poor showing.

woman19 · 15/05/2019 13:11

BREX: 27% (-1)
Familiarity breeds contempt?

I could see the LibDems doing OK in the South East; but it would surprise me if they did in the North East
Sunderland LA results ( and very quick reversal of ref result) suggest there may be some surprises. North East and Sunderland is a varied area, with notable traditition of surprising the south. (1974 FA cup final Wink)

TalkinPaece · 15/05/2019 13:14

Eurovision this weekend
EU elections next
its all just too exciting

Peregrina · 15/05/2019 13:15

Counting will start locally at 4pm on 26th. The results for the South East will be collated in Southampton, where they are expected to be declared between 10-11 pm depending on whether there are any recounts. I assume that's just the South East vote declaring then.

Unlike other elections, the ballot papers will be verified face down, (i.e. making sure the tallies in the boxes and those voting papers the polling stations have issued agree.) This is because some countries will still be voting - Portugal I know is one, although Ireland votes on the Friday, and it's to stop information about how the vote is going leaking out.

It always baffles me when the American presidential elections close, they start declaring results from the East Coast when the polling stations are still open in the West. Although I gather that they are more like exit polls - hence the too close to call business, rather than actual counted votes

DGRossetti · 15/05/2019 13:23

It always baffles me when the American presidential elections close, they start declaring results from the East Coast when the polling stations are still open in the West.

Turning that on it's head, how would you organise elections across time zones. Bearing in mind Hawaii is what ... 8 hours out from the East Coast ....

DGRossetti · 15/05/2019 13:24

Nix that - didn't real properly ... of course results can be kept sealed.

TalkinPaece · 15/05/2019 13:40

In the US, different states have different polling hours, even in the same time zone
different countries do different things

I might go down and watch the EU count - could be a laugh. In the Guildhall I presume