Can people/Remainers explain what they are tying to achieve with Revoke?

[EggAndButter]

I initially wanted to post on AIBU but I didn’t have the guts and thought it wouod just be moved anyway...

I’m getting tired of Brexit.
Tired of the lies and dreams of the Leave side.
But just as tired of the dreams and wishful thinking of the Remain side.

So I am asking Remainers on here

What do you expect to achieve with Revoke?

How are you planning to deal with the Leave side being left down?
How will you deal with the inevitable instability coming with Revoke? There will a lot of very angry People around.... people who will be feeling left down. People in the north who have always being feeling that the South and London never listens to them and that this is another proof they don’t. And being sure that you have the ‘right’ solution isn’t going to be enough.

I have the same questions for Leavers btw. It’s just that the answer seems to always be ‘that’s the will of the people. Just suck it up’ :(

As we are going deeper and deeper into this brexit mess, it’s clear that there is one way to go back to what the U.K. has. That ship has well and truly sailed.
It’s also clear that No Deal will be a nightmare.

So the only way out I can see is a deal. A deal that will worse for the U.K. than being in the EU. A deal that both sides ‘will just have to suck it up’.
A deal where no one will be truly happy because the other solutions (No Deal or Revoke) just aren’t possible. But the only way out until the U.K. can sort itself out, its political system that has more or less collapsed, its priorities in the middle of a climate crisis, social issues, poverty and economic downturn, its press. (Whilst crossing fingers that whilst it’s doing that, no one will use that opportunity to take power -Trump style for example)

Not feeling very positive about it all. But even less so when I see both sides just sticking to their mantra and refusing to accept that, basically, they have both lost the game.

Wha sort of habits are you referring to Talkin?

Seeing how unreliable IT systems are in the U.K., I am quite worried to now have my name on a database (Settled Status) with no paper proof and my own life that will depend only in that....

@EggandButter
The UK has historically never had identity cards.
It is one of the very few countries in the world never to have had them.

Most other countries issue identity cards or social security numbers at birth so have no problems with identity proof

The Andhaar system has proven highly successful and foolproof.
The US Social security number database is highly effective.
The French Carte d'identite seems to work rather well

But Brits object to compulsory ID systems
and anything that is incomplete is prone to errors.

Well you have to start somewhere. None of the countries you mentioned ended with a fully functioning system wo any errors overnight.
The U.K. already has a system with the National Insurrance number, which could be built on.

But more importantly, the system that is used is, IMO, much worse.

I want to revoke so that there can be proper time to stop and take stock. And to work out what to do with the COMPLETELY CLEAR result of the Referendum, which has been totally ignored by Leavers and Remainers alike. Which is that NOBODY WON.
The only thing the Referendum showed clearly is that there are huge enormous deep long-standing divisions, in almost every aspect of national life. We need to revoke article 50 so that real proper attempts can be made to make sense of what all the very many different Leavers and Remainers said/meant/wanted; so that some action can be taken on all this; negotiations on a proper Leaving Plan can be made - and THEN we can have a second confirming Referendum.

I don't really care either way.
I got my UK passport a few years ago.
I still have my other passport and my ID records for that country.

Brexit will not make UK IT procurement either better or worse.

The Hostile Environment thank you Theresa May will make the repercussions of identity errors much worse.

It is one of the very few countries in the world never to have had them

Not true, issued during WW2 and afterwards. DH still has his postwar issued one. I did have one but it must have been binned years ago. The numbers on the Identity cards were alpha numeric and became your NHS number. These have now changed, breaking the link that was there.

Peregrina
Were the WW2 ones for children as well?
My NHS number marks me out as an immigrant, my NI number does not.

Yes, they were for children - buff coloured cards for them, and they expired when you were 16 (or when abolished in our cases.) Adults had blue cards. I don't know when they changed the NHS numbers, but the old numbers still persisted until at least the 1980s.

I got my NHS number when I arrived in the UK - it was linked to having to report to the police each month.
By the time I got my NI number Mum had been married to a Brit for years and I was in the school system.

The French Carte d'identite seems to work rather well

It has no link to the social security system and isn't obligatory. It doesn't do what British people seem to think it does!

You are very, very deluded. I absolutely would still vote leave EVEN IF my standard of living dropped. And many agree with me.

The people who peddle this crap have no idea of the strength of feeling that leavers hold or how furious they are at being let down.

Oh, and the great unwashed aren't a thick bunch and have as much right to vote as the lefty liberal middle classes daahling.

I want to leave and I want to leave now.

The alternative is too dire to contemplate. I'm all for short term pain for long term gain.

Sorry, that was a reply to weeping willow at the start of the thread.

Firecarrier

You are extremely fortunate if you can afford to absorb the economic disaster a no deal exit will inflict on millions. They can’t afford to carry such an huge ideological chip on their shoulder.
Who’s going to continue to donate to food banks and charities when they’re own livelihoods are in question?
My family and I will be fine with either outcome but I care about those who won’t. You clearly don’t give a toss.

Yes bully for you Fire if you can afford a drop in your standard of living, I'm alright Jack

@Firecarrier , I can cope with No Deal because I am a prepper. I voted Remain in the hope I wouldn't need to have this shit. I support WA in the hope the shit is tolerable.
Are you just a well off nihilist that adores bad shit for ordinary people who haven't got your comforts?

Assumptions, assumptions, assumptions.

About my current standard of living, my morals etc etc. This is why the MAJORITY of this country probably often don't want to bother interacting with remainers.

I'm probably worse off than you. I live in a deprived, often ignored (when it is not being slagged off) place in the Midlands.

(That's 'up North' to all those living in the London bubble/echo chamber)

There's a familiar tune playing

Down south to me @Firecarrier

Firecarrier

Pretty big assumption on your part there.

We’re upwards of 100 miles further north than you, if you want to resort to a Pythonesque poor northern credentials debate (and here, incidentally, the midlands isn’t considered the north: it’s considered, er, the midlands. Clues in the name). Everyone I know here is a remainer.

So, you’re on the breadline already and you want to be poorer still? Ok, knock yourself out.
Just a bloody shame you don’t care that your ideology is dragging millions of others down with you.

So, you’re on the breadline already and you want to be poorer still? Ok, knock yourself out.
Just a bloody shame you don’t care that your ideology is dragging millions of others down with you. Well said Langrish