Is revoke possible at the moment? What do you think?

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Just that

The Conservative party would be obliterated if TM revokes

Within the membership perhaps but to win a GE, middle england has to be won over and plenty of these voters will never vote Tory again once we leave the EU, deal or no-deal.
Also, even a slight downturn in the economy will be blamed (by many) on Brexit and the voters have very short memories.

A revoke would go down very well with business, the economy would be boosted, as certainty is restored and a snap GE could well see the Tories back in power.

The losers in all of this are Labour due to their prevarication.

If the only alternative by Friday is no deal or revoke, I think we’ll revoke.

Either will destroy the Tories, no deal will also destroy the country.

Agree, May will be left with no choice, she has played a poor hand extremely badly.

I just hope and pray Labour do not agree a deal with the Tories, it will destroy them, just as the Tories did for the LibDems.

If the only alternative by Friday is no deal or revoke, I think we’ll revoke.

You may well be right, and this may well be Barnier's Cunning Plan.

I think it'll be no deal.

The potential destruction of the Tory Party would be the one good thing to come out of this, but I'll believe it when I see it. That beast is undead and indestructable.

Another Referendum with Leave removed from the choices is the most probable outcome now. Be careful what you wish for if Brexit is stopped then I and millions like me have lost our right to vote. How long will you keep your right to vote in the new regime? Democracy as we know it is over.

I find these sort of flouncy "democracy as we know it is over!!" Statements a bit daft tbh. I mean, I understand the frustration of leavers if we don't end up leaving the Eu. They voted for something, won, then it didn't happen. However surely EVERYBODY can see by now how complicated and difficult the situation is and how damaging this could be for our country if it's handled badly??
For what it's worth I think that we will find a way through eventually and leave and I think that a second referendum would deliver the same result as the first, however, if it doesn't happen, democracy as we know it isn't over...... it's just a big mess that people are trying to sort out with as little damage as possible.

I ve watched Mays handling of brexit with despair but sometimes i find myself thinking "No one could really be this stupid, could they?"
From the snap GE, her Red Lines, the DUP, Salzberg, Snuggling up to the ERG, Extensions, Reaching out to Labour.... pissing off her party time an time again!

Is this some sort of elaborate scheme to make sure we never leave?

Or is she/govt just mind numbingly incompetent?

I added up the votes for Remain and Brexit parties in Newport West.I think the Remain parties took 57% of the turnout.When you consider that Newport voted only 44% for Remain in the Referendum that's a big swing to Remain.

The by-election turnout for Newport West was only 37% - they are blaming poor weather (rain and hail), but the winning MP said, she expected a low turnout because of the sheer number of people telling campaigners on the doorstop that they would not go out to vote. (source - WalesOnLine).

The EU referendum turnout for Newport was 70%.

If people don't vote they can hardly complain that they are not listened to. And people who think that a second ref would be a walkover for leave should maybe wonder about turnout.

The low turnout in the by-election was a protest against MPs' conduct in parliament I think - not an indication that they wouldn't turn out for a second referendum. Why does everyone have to vote for UKIP to register a Leave preference?

In the 2016 election Newport West only had 44% turnout anyway. In 2011 they had a 36.8% turnout and 40% in 2007, so it looks like they turned out in droves for the referendum and the 2016 election (turnout 67.5%) but have returned to voter apathy.
I'm fairly sure the referendum was won by the politically unengaged - people who don't usually bother their arses to vote and this would seem to demonstrate that point.

What is the point of voting if the majority vote can be ignored?

The point is Sheldon, the majority voted for an unknown quantity. I don't think the vote has been ignored, more that it's undeliverable, particularly as there were so many different versions of leave being espoused in the campaigning.

Be careful what you wish for if Brexit is stopped then I and millions like me have lost our right to vote. How long will you keep your right to vote in the new regime? Democracy as we know it is over.

Oh, give over.

And they say Remainers are hysterical

I was going to write exactly that twofingers

I’m sick to death of Leave voters who can still, nearly 3 years on, offer no more than ‘we won’

Leave is undeliverable unless you sign up to wrecking the economy.

Is there really a majority for that?

Leave is undeliverable unless you sign up to wrecking the economy.
This is the crux of it. This is why there's stalemate. No politician will stand up and say "The will of the people is bollocks and will ruin the UK", so they pussyfoot around, saying things like 'Brexit Means Brexit', while Leave voters whinge about not getting their prize.

Unless it is a compulsory vote with a none of the above box it's not a true representation of the public its s tru representation of the public who vote

Leave is undeliverable unless you sign up to wrecking the economy.

Is there really a majority for that?

Apparently so, Bear. According to Leavers, it will all be fine under WTO terms and we will all dig for victory and pull together and give the EU a two-fingered salute and show 'em how it's done!

madame I don’t doubt there’s a lot of Leavers who think that that is big and clever, but it’s not enough for a majority anymore.

That’s why they’re so afraid of another vote.

There is no ‘fear’ of a further referendum. Contrary to the mumsnet remainer bubble, many people are even more anti EU than before. Remain winning is by no means a forgone conclusion - just as it wasn’t the first time.

The problem with a second referendum is that the question has already been asked - and answered. The terms are irrelevant, the answer was to leave.

If remain had won, they would have been just as adamant that it should never be asked again.

Maybe take a read here Chidi

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/i-was-strong-brexiteer-now-we-must-swallow-our-pride-and-think-again/

twofingerstoEverything
In the 2016 election Newport West only had 44% turnout anyway. In 2011 they had a 36.8% turnout and 40% in 2007.
I'm fairly sure the referendum was won by the politically unengaged - people who don't usually bother their arses to vote and this would seem to demonstrate that point.

Elections In 2007, 2011 and 2016 relate to the Welsh Assembly.
The Newport West turnout for General Elections is usually much higher;

2010 GE 64.8%
2015 GE 64.9%
EU Referendum (Newport) 70.2%
2017 GE 67.5%
2019 By Election 37.1%

chidi do you have any evidence for your comments, other than wishful thinking.

Can you confidently say all those Nissan workers for example, would vote your way now they know what it actually means?