I didn't vote for a compromise. I voted to remain.

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Obviously the above statement is against Brexit means Brexit.

But what does Brexit actually mean? Should those who voted for Brexit now be the ones to make the compromise?

they’ll vote for anything that promises to stop them feeling foolish and humiliated.

And then raise the arms and look sheepish. Or ensure that your company has EU membership by getting it set up in Dublin.

That wouldn't be a remain civil servant Tatiana - what a complete load of crap.

I think if you look at pre June 16. no one was talking about deal or no deal because as far as we were concerned the talk was all about trade deals and free trade with the EU etc. It simply didn't exist at all in anyone's thinking. No one said the EU would insist on a 'divorce' deal first before discussing a trade deal so it was never in anyone's thoughts. Even some time after people still thought we would be able to sort this out pretty quickly. We were already trading on the same rules and the likes of Liam Fox said it would be one of the easiest deals to do, because of course even he, and David Davis had no idea what the EU were going to insist on first.

Had we been able to negotiate both together we wouldn't need a back stop and the Irish Border simply wouldn't have been a problem. That's why it was never highlighted pre the referendum.

As far as leavers are concerned the EU and TM agreeing to this, has made the whole process almost impossible. The way the EU have acted, belittling the DUP and leavers problems with the back stop, and our insistence that this must not interfere with the union of the UK, makes it very obvious they have no idea what the Union means to us.
TM giving in to the EU and not standing up for us has made the whole debacle ridiculous.
This has made me and many other leavers even more determined to get out a.s.a.p. Thus the high % who are prepared to leave on no deal.

What absolute rubbish. Within my company, prior to the vote itself, we were discussing precisely these and a range of other possibilities and assessing risks and impacts. We were not alone.
Common sense before the vote would have suggested to anyone two things. First, that to preserve its own integrity as an institution, the EU would have to ensure that whatever arrangements it entered into with the uk would not leave us in as favourable position as full membership. Second, that its priority would be to close the financial gap caused by us leaving. Both of these viewpoints were aired in public debate.
All you are really telling us is you don’t have common sense.

No one said the EU would insist on a 'divorce' deal first before discussing a trade deal so it was never in anyone's thoughts. Even some time after people still thought we would be able to sort this out pretty quickly. We were already trading on the same rules and the likes of Liam Fox said it would be one of the easiest deals to do, because of course even he, and David Davis had no idea what the EU were going to insist on first.

And yet, people who knew what they were talking about - ie, not David Davis or Liam Fox - knew all of these things before the referendum.

The sequencing issue was well known certainly by people with a legal background who had read article 50 and considered its consequences. And no serious trade expert expected deals to be done quickly. Just because you personally did not read any of these people's work and because you personally did not bother to inform yourself or to think deeply about the issue does not mean that no one else was thinking about it.

Even some leavers knew this stuff, eg Richard North who remains the only person ever to have prepared a detailed plan for leaving.

Double

Sure in papers like the Sun or Mail etc it was all "the easiest deal in history"
In more serious outlets, paying current and future debt, sequencing, trade, customs, vat payback even NI discussed and warned about.

Remember Farage on QT (pre june 2016) being questioned about NI or on another program warned by a Pharma guy about what brexit would do to the industry? all dismissed as Project fear, to loud applause by the audience :(

Blame this cxxt for the mess we are in, not the EU

No. Blame the idiots who took garage seriously.

Garage? Farage

Double, your post is worded slightly to suggest you are a DUP voter?

The 'union' you speak og means a lot to a small number of people. The vast majority of the English couldn't give a damn about NI. Scotland is different. Wales is different. We are a financial drain on the uk and a right royal PITA. They would be better off without us. We would be fucked without them.

You might not have realised the EU would insist on a divorce deal that would benefit them and deter other countries from leaving and that they would want to protect the border. But i knew this, plenty of us did. The fact that they want/require this isn't because they are an evil organisation, but because they are right to request it in the interest of their member states and to uphold the GFA etc etc

Diane Abbott has admitted a second vote would have the same result.
What does that tell you, as we all know know about all the lies and untruths supposed to have been used. Yet still it would be we want to leave now, as the result.

How does Diane Abbott know there would be the same result?

Polling shows that more people now want to remain than leave and have done for months now. The question is whether the more predominantly remain youth vote, and those who didn't vote last time but who would mostly vote remain, would turn out and vote.

The result of another ref would depend on voter turnout.

That's what John Curtice thinks anyway, having looked at all polling. He thinks not many people have changed their minds, but the addition of all the people having turned 18 since the last ref swings it to remain. Bug traditionally this age group have low turn out at voting.

The interesting thing would be to see if the current interest in politics by everyone would encourage their turnout.

Diane Abbott has admitted a second vote would have the same result.

Do you think Diane Abbott is uniquely attuned to the mood of the nation, or do you just think she's got psychic powers?

Either way I fear you risk being horribly disappointed.

Do you honestly think she would be allowed to say this if Labour did not view this as the result of their own polls.
She is part of the shadow govenment.
Just because it does not sit well with Mumsnet thinking does not mean it is not true.

mummmy2017 ummm it's not like she's never been completely wrong before, is it?

Oh wait...

Think your clutching at straws Mummy, there is no party discipline in either Con or Lab.
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But in a way it doesn't matter what the result is, after 3 years, Mays deal V Remain should be tested.
What brexit means now was not what was sold to the nation in 2016, it has turned out to be completely different.

Both options are deliverable plus another vote is needed in an attempt to heal the divides in the country.

As far as I can tell politicians say whatever the hell they like, as long as it backs up their viewpoint.

Diane is part of JC s circle and they are lexiters.

If she can show me the proof over months of polling that there is a majority to leave, then let her.

John Curtice uses multiple polls over months and pulls them all together to assess the trend. That is why he's considered the top man in the country on polling.

Diane Abbott having an opinion that leave would win, is not equivalent.

They might win if voter turnout is low in the younger age groups.

But then, if all these politicians were so sure leave would win, they would be less scared of another ref.

If Boris made a comment like that you would jump down his throat, and people would want his job..

If vote leave could win a referendum without breaking electoral law that would be great. Imagine the uproar if remain had broke the law and won. I can see the daily mail headlines now 😅

Do you honestly think she would be allowed to say this if Labour did not view this as the result of their own polls.

No party discipline atm, Labour are all over the place on Brexit, don't think there is a settled labour view on this. Plus of course it would depend what question was asked. Remain would win in a landslide against May's deal, mainly because brexiters have been so successful at trashing what was - in view of the Tory party's red lines - a perfectly sensible withdrawal agreement.

Last night on CH4 News, you had John Redwood categorically stating polls show the uk want to leave, followed by Heidi Allen stating people want a 2nd vote.

Neither could back up what they stated.

I wouldn't be so sure remain would win against Mays deal, the whole govt machine would be for WA, it would come down to turnout.

Like i said, the object of any PV shouldn't be to over turn the 2016 result.

The notion that labour or anyone is exercising quality control over the utterances of Diane Abbott is utterly laughable.
She knows no more than anyone what the mood of the country is - in fact, probably less than most.

So Dianne Abbott has a crystal ball now? Shame she didn’t have it with her when she did the interview about how much increasing police numbers would cost. If she told me grass is green I’d question it.

Not much point focussing on DA. She may be right. I dislike her by the way.
Op, we lost so we have to compromise. My compromise had been to accept WA for a so called orderly Brexit. I will never accept No Deal and hope those lobbying for it suffer.

The latest polls do not show remain winning at all. The latest poll had every area except London and Scotland preferring no deal to remain! Some areas were 60/40 leave with 55/45 for country overall to leave

And they’re the polls before leave have even started campaigning so likely to rise much more as currently it’s all remain side and they’re still not ahead