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No Conservatives bothered to turn up to debate our 6 million strong Revoke Article 50 petition 😢😡

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tenredthings · 02/04/2019 18:34

Not a single conservative MP was present when it was debated in Parliament in spite of over 6000000 signatures on the revoke A50 petition. It's clear they don't give a damn about the will of the people.

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Singlenotsingle · 02/04/2019 18:36

Only 6 million? It doesn't compare with 17 million leave votes, does it?

TheSheepofWallSt · 02/04/2019 18:36

They will have been whipped to stay away, and given the sheer amount of hours they’re putting in the chamber at the minute, will likely have been pleased to.

Mistigri · 02/04/2019 18:49

Apparently the sane Tories with motions being debated (Boles, Clarke, Letwin?) were not allowed to leave the chamber.

Still bloody appalling.

placemats · 02/04/2019 18:55

Only 6 million? It doesn't compare with 17 million leave votes, does it?

@Singlenotsingle Can you point out any other petition that got beyond 6 million when this issue is such a hot debate?

16.5 million choose to remain.

GregoryPeckingDuck · 02/04/2019 18:57

I would imagine they had more important things to do with brexit looming and all. What exactly was being present going to achieve?

placemats · 02/04/2019 19:00

So six million who sign the petition have no voice and therefore petitions are useless but a flawed referendum result is the will of the people.

Chequebooks out!

placemats · 02/04/2019 19:02

What important things do they have to do then @GregoryPeckingDuck

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 02/04/2019 19:05

I hope their constituents remember this come election time. This is a cross party issue after all.

Iflyaway · 02/04/2019 19:08

Only 6 million? It doesn't compare with 17 million leave votes, does it?

Including the 16+ million who voted Remain....?

2016 Referendum result is not fixed in time.

GregoryPeckingDuck · 02/04/2019 19:17

@placemats you do realise that we’re about to go through brexit and they haven’t even agreed a transitional deal right? If they don’t sort themselves out then we’ll be leaving no deal. If they don’t prepare for no deal that’s going to be a real mess.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 19:40

What exactly was being present going to achieve?

Oh i dunno

Giving ALL of the public the idea that they are interested in debate and want the best for the whole country and are prepared to listen even though they don't agree

To be honest i think just about everyone knew it wasnt going to go anyway (except for a small handfull of posters on here who were absolutely shitting themselves Grin)

But not one fucking tory even as a representative?

Its fucking rude

And dh and i have voted tory most of our lives (not all...)

Before anyone jumps in with the 'oooh you love corbyn' shit Grin

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 19:44

Only 6 million? It doesn't compare with 17 million leave votes, does it

Doesnt compare with 16 million remain votes either

Still a huuuuuge petition

Parliament said they would debate petitions over 100,000 but the tories have reneged

Surprise surprise

eurochick · 02/04/2019 19:46

The whole thing is a bloody disgrace. I can't believe it wasn't debated in the main chamber and this is just the icing on the cake.

stumbledin · 02/04/2019 19:54

Newspapers are reporting that 6 tories were there. And in fact there were so few there in total they might mean they were 50%.

The problem is it was scheduled to take place at the same time as the discussions on the second lot of indicative voting.

As it was they kept leaving for the division bell.

Yaralie · 02/04/2019 19:59

Just remember TM's priorities -

-first- her status as PM, her career
-second- the Conservative Party

She may talk about what might be best for the country but she does not give a toss, any more than she ever gave a toss for the "burning injustices" or the "just about manageings" That was just PR lies. She never cared at all.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 20:05

Newspapers are reporting that 6 tories were there

Well if thats the case i take it back Smile

not the not voting bit

The rude bit

DangermousesSidekick · 02/04/2019 20:51

Only 6 million? It doesn't compare with 17 million leave votes, does it?

For an online petition? Not everyone lives online. Many don't have internet access, many more wouldn't know how to use online petitions, many more might not want to for privacy reasons. This petition got a record number of signatures in a record amount of time. It only stalled when the prime minister and so on indicated that they would give it the same respect as her forebears gave to protests and marches in this oh so democratic country, i.e. nowt. It should have had attention. At the least they could have acknowledged its existence by attending.

One word, Theresa: Iraq. This will have much bigger consequences than that.

keepforgettingmyusername · 02/04/2019 21:06

Doesn't surprise me. We are the shit on the Tories shoes and always have been.

lonelyplanetmum · 02/04/2019 21:10

I do think both the following things are shabby:

  1. That the petition was only debated in a side room with a handful of MPs present. Due to the numbers of people who signed (and are still adding signatures) it should have been treated with more priority than the usual system.
  1. The Conservative/ government benches were also strikingly empty during the debate prior to last night's indicative votes.

Even if they had nothing more to say the Conservatives should make at least a token attempt to be present during these debates.
Apart from anything else they are televised and available internationally and being absent looks arrogant and non collegiate.

As far as the domestic audience is concerned a higher presence and priority would give credence to the rarely mentioned need to reach out to the forgotten 'losers' in the ref.

PunkRockHippy · 02/04/2019 21:11

Wasn’t ‘revoke A50’ one of the indicative vote options that failed to get a majority, along with all the rest? So it has already been debated and voted upon.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 02/04/2019 21:23

Its just basic manners...

Arrogant is exactly the right word

Dh meets a few local politicians in his line of business (finance) the older he gets the more likely he is to be forthright

I almost feel sorry for them...but not as sorry as the ones who canvass in the village when there is an election

Im gonna be ringing a bell and shouting 'unclean'...just for shits and giggles Grin

stumbledin · 03/04/2019 00:13

This is the report from TheyWorkForYou - but it doesn't list who attended in total. Only those who spoke. www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3549469-Westminstenders-The-May-Compromise?pg=12

MayhemNowCertain · 03/04/2019 05:30

Does not surprise me that the petition was ignored when it is possible for;

Kids under 18 can sign
Same person can sign many times with different email addresses
Foreigners can sign
No evidence that any of the 6 million had previously voted to leave

lonelyplanetmum · 03/04/2019 07:07

We've had this out before on these threads.Sigh.

At the end of the day there were

•6,000,000 signatures for Revoke In 10 days

• 600,000 signatures- Leave petition In 6 months

Even allowing for a margin of error for duplicate signatures etc . The margin of error of say 5% would be the same on both.

The speed and volume of the Revoke petition means it should have been debated with more attention and respect than it was.

In other spheres the British are supposed to be gentle'men' extending respect, manners, credit and courtesy to the losers. Since the referendum no such courtesy has been extended to those who felt Remain brings the best benefits for our country.We have been ignored at all levels from the government to the press.

Comments attempting to minimise the Remain petition overall does Leavers no credit. It can only suggest fears about levels of their current support.

If there was faith that the merits of Leaving were still substantive and demonstrable why would there be a need to attack the petition?

MayhemNowCertain · 03/04/2019 07:44

Any government that thinks 6 million on a questionable petition represents the will of the people (all 67 million of them in UK) is even more dense then the government we currently have in the UK.

I voted leave, but have not signed the leave petition as such petitions are pointless.

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